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    Re: Dayton Police Department Ordered to Lower Standards to Hire More Blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Education is not so much a privilege as it is a requirement for the country to exist. That's why people are so angry about the state of it.
    EFFECTIVE education is a public need. Individually, it is a privilege. People are angry about it because we see so much of our tax dollars being pissed down a hole with increasingly reduced results. I for one would GLADLY pay more in taxes to reward more effective and efficient educators and school administrators. but not one thin dime for the fiasco it has currently become.
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    Re: Dayton Police Department Ordered to Lower Standards to Hire More Blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    but they were lowered for everyone, the scale doesn't apply only to blacks, does it? now, you can argue, rightfully so, that it will benefit blacks, but it could also benefit whites or whomever. the real issue here is that we don't qualified people applying for leo jobs. why, i wonder? way to bring "democrats" into this......
    the only ones it will benefits are those who were too stupid to pass the test to begin with. That's just what society needs....more stupid cops.
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    Re: Dayton Police Department Ordered to Lower Standards to Hire More Blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    when you lower it for everyone, you are doing nobody a favor. I'd rather have more failures, than substandard folk of any color having my back.
    you didn't see me post that i thought it was the right thing to do, did you? i don't think that's the answer. but i also think there are probably plenty of black people capable of becoming leos, but they are not applying. maybe that's what we should be taking a look at. again, i don't want to live in dayton.

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    Re: Dayton Police Department Ordered to Lower Standards to Hire More Blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    you didn't see me post that i thought it was the right thing to do, did you? i don't think that's the answer. but i also think there are probably plenty of black people capable of becoming leos, but they are not applying. maybe that's what we should be taking a look at. again, i don't want to live in dayton.

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    Re: Dayton Police Department Ordered to Lower Standards to Hire More Blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    you didn't see me post that i thought it was the right thing to do, did you? i don't think that's the answer. but i also think there are probably plenty of black people capable of becoming leos, but they are not applying. maybe that's what we should be taking a look at. again, i don't want to live in dayton.
    that is a common problem with a lot of jobs. the people that should be applying aren't and the ones that are applying should be cleaning bathrooms and flipping burgers
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    Re: Dayton Police Department Ordered to Lower Standards to Hire More Blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    as a society, we have decided that a certain amount of education IS a right. if a student doesn't take advantage of that right, so be it. put them in alternative schools or whatever until our duty is done, at age 16.
    I dont disagree that it is a right and a public service. I disagree with the bean counters that only care if there are asses in the seats to be counted. I disagree with the parents who turn over their parental responsibilities to the schools to raise their children. Alternative schools...prison...I dont really care to be honest. Im at the point where I see that the only way we surviive as a society is if we get a leaner and yes, a little meaner when it comes to higher expectations of individuals. The effort to save everyone is ineffective because they are resisting the efforts and it is causing ther lifeboat to sink.

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    Re: Dayton Police Department Ordered to Lower Standards to Hire More Blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I dont disagree that it is a right and a public service. I disagree with the bean counters that only care if there are asses in the seats to be counted. I disagree with the parents who turn over their parental responsibilities to the schools to raise their children. Alternative schools...prison...I dont really care to be honest. Im at the point where I see that the only way we surviive as a society is if we get a leaner and yes, a little meaner when it comes to higher expectations of individuals. The effort to save everyone is ineffective because they are resisting the efforts and it is causing ther lifeboat to sink.
    agreed. but i think we still have a responsbility to attempt to educate until the age of 16. kids can't change their parents. i would never agree, (and can hardly believe) that 19 year olds are ninth graders. oscar was correct when he said everbody can't be a doctor, or whatever it was he posted. most kids can be trained for something, it use to be called vocational education, is that gone now?

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    Re: Dayton Police Department Ordered to Lower Standards to Hire More Blacks

    Education is a right in my opinion.

    But we keep dumbing it down for the lowest common denominator, which is basically those kids whose parents are either (a) gone, or (b) don't give a crap.

    That's why I live in the suburbs. The kids my kids go to school with have parents that give a crap.

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    Re: Dayton Police Department Ordered to Lower Standards to Hire More Blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I dont disagree that it is a right and a public service. I disagree with the bean counters that only care if there are asses in the seats to be counted. I disagree with the parents who turn over their parental responsibilities to the schools to raise their children. Alternative schools...prison...I dont really care to be honest. Im at the point where I see that the only way we surviive as a society is if we get a leaner and yes, a little meaner when it comes to higher expectations of individuals. The effort to save everyone is ineffective because they are resisting the efforts and it is causing ther lifeboat to sink.
    There are many parents in wealthy or middle class neighborhoods who let schools raise their children and they turn out just fine. And when students in wealthy neighborhoods resist efforts to be educated, it doesn't 'cause the lifeboat to sink.' It's more complicated than 'blame the dumb kids and parents'. Poverty causes this behavior and this behavior causes poverty. It's a reinforcing mechanism.

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    Re: Dayton Police Department Ordered to Lower Standards to Hire More Blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    There are many parents in wealthy or middle class neighborhoods who let schools raise their children and they turn out just fine. And when students in wealthy neighborhoods resist efforts to be educated, it doesn't 'cause the lifeboat to sink.' It's more complicated than 'blame the dumb kids and parents'. Poverty causes this behavior and this behavior causes poverty. It's a reinforcing mechanism.
    In those schools, problem children are dealt with, and parents get involved. You don't see the "victimization card" played against the teachers, so they can actually do their job.

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