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    Re: Dayton Police Department Ordered to Lower Standards to Hire More Blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    In my state they all get funded equally. they actually take money away from rich schools and give it to the poor schools to balance it out. kids in the poor school districts still perform worse.
    Personal choice.

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    Re: Dayton Police Department Ordered to Lower Standards to Hire More Blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Personal choice.
    Too simple.

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    Re: Dayton Police Department Ordered to Lower Standards to Hire More Blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    In my state they all get funded equally. they actually take money away from rich schools and give it to the poor schools to balance it out. kids in the poor school districts still perform worse.
    your schools are funded by income and sales tax, very little by property tax. which funds are taken away from rich schools?
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    Re: Dayton Police Department Ordered to Lower Standards to Hire More Blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    With what you said above, how do you take this into account.

    When I was in school, in California, there were busloads of students brought in from Compton and other cities in LA to the valley. We had one of the best academic records in all of LAUSD, we couldn't win a football game to save our lives but that is another story, however that did not help most of the students bussed over.

    The students that wanted to learn could and the ones that didn't threw it away.

    The one guy I kept in touch with, was a bussed student. He is black. He did take advantage of the education and graduated.

    He then proceded to put himself through college. It took him 10 years to get his first degree, but he did it himself. I never heard him say he couldn't do it, or he wasn't allowed because of his skin color. He did it all himself.

    I realise that is anecdotal information, but my point still stands.

    If the student wants to learn, they will.

    A test should never be dumbed down for a certain group that has sat in the exact same classes as the other groups.

    It is all about personal choice.
    How do you take this into account:

    I went to school in a middle class neighborhood. I went to private school for personal reasons, but the public schools were great.

    Almost every single person who goes to the public schools goes to college and gets good career. A very small number drop out.

    A few miles away is an inner-city school that my father was a principal at for 25 years. He ran it very well and was an award-winning, respected principal - because he wouldn't take crap for his students. When he left the school/retired, it declined...a lot, for many reasons (education in general started getting worse, the new principals were incompetent). I know all this because we have family friends who work there.

    There are a few great students who do well, mostly because they have great parents who are involved in their education. But the majority of them don't do well and it's not because of something within them that prevents them from learning.

    I never said a test should be dumbed down. My first sentence adamantly rejects that idea. In fact, one of my biggest problems with so many arguments about education on here is that we should dumb down education because 'certain people' can't learn. I'm all about high expectations...for everybody.

    Why are the numbers of students who suck at school higher than in low-income neighborhoods than wealthy? It's not just personal choice, if only for the fact that personal choice like everything in this world, has a cause.

    I'm getting so sick of this attitude that people just CHOOSE to be where they are. It's absolutely ridiculous and contrary to reason and experience.
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    Re: Dayton Police Department Ordered to Lower Standards to Hire More Blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    It's not a myth. There are many reports on it. Here's one of many. Thanks for the selective numbers though.

    http://www.wested.org/online_pubs/pp-03-01.pdf


    First you infer that the poor are the ones serving in the military, now you discredit my state source and factual numbers as selective?


    I gave you the link to the state study. If you want to discuss then do so. If not then try to at least not loom silly discounting the very numbers puy before you.
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    Re: Dayton Police Department Ordered to Lower Standards to Hire More Blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    your schools are funded by income and sales tax, very little by property tax. which funds are taken away from rich schools?
    sales tax. many of the "richer" cities have levied additional local sales taxes to go towards education. the state simply reduced their funding by the same amount and sent that money elsewhere.

    I taught for 9 years in Hunstville AL. there are 5 high schools in the system. they are all funded identically, being in the same city school system. the two high schools where the kids from the rich part of town attend score well on the standardized tests, the two inner city schools are always to the bottom. it is not a matter of funding. that is a freakin copout
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    Re: Dayton Police Department Ordered to Lower Standards to Hire More Blacks

    I think Oscar's right to a certain degree. The amount of money put into a school system isn't necessarily correlated with the quality of the education.
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    Re: Dayton Police Department Ordered to Lower Standards to Hire More Blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I think Oscar's right to a certain degree. The amount of money put into a school system isn't necessarily correlated with the quality of the education.
    I just find it odd that so many people want to blame everyone but the students for the student's poor performance.
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    Re: Dayton Police Department Ordered to Lower Standards to Hire More Blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    sales tax. many of the "richer" cities have levied additional local sales taxes to go towards education. the state simply reduced their funding by the same amount and sent that money elsewhere.

    I taught for 9 years in Hunstville AL. there are 5 high schools in the system. they are all funded identically, being in the same city school system. the two high schools where the kids from the rich part of town attend score well on the standardized tests, the two inner city schools are always to the bottom. it is not a matter of funding. that is a freakin copout
    funding should be equal, across the board, with the exception of certain types a special education needs or possibly some social needs. we all know this is a many pronged problem, the parents, the lack of good teachers in poor areas, and in some cases, yes, the lack of funding. the last problem is the kids and the environments they live in.
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    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Dayton Police Department Ordered to Lower Standards to Hire More Blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    First you infer that the poor are the ones serving in the military, now you discredit my state source and factual numbers as selective?

    I gave you the link to the state study. If you want to discuss then do so. If not then try to at least not loom silly discounting the very numbers puy before you.
    Selective as in they don't give an entire picture of the system.

    How and when did I ever discredit the military? People who have come from poor backgrounds serve in the military. Our military is American and poor people do exist in America and actually, many people use the military's education benefits to pay for education that would be more difficult to afford. Would it make you feel better if I said that the military has people of all backgrounds, rich, poor, black, white, etc. What is your problem?

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