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Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

mac said:
I believe homosexual behavior to be wrong and I believe our society shouldn't be forced to change a longstanding, and sincere, tradition to accommodate it. There are quite a few laws on the books for that or similar reasons.
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This is you in 1864.

I believe ending slavery to be wrong and I believe our society shouldn't be forced to change a longstanding, and sincere, tradition to accommodate it. There are quite a few laws on the books for that or similar reasons.

It's all about tradition, after all.
 
mac said:
I believe homosexual behavior to be wrong and I believe our society shouldn't be forced to change a longstanding, and sincere, tradition to accommodate it. There are quite a few laws on the books for that or similar reasons.
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And most of those laws are continually being challenged and overturned when those laws cannot be defended with a legitimate state interest in keeping them active. Especially when those laws discriminate on the basis of something like sex, which is what all anti-same sex marriage laws do.
 
mac said:
That depends.
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What, would you actually see that LGBT people are decent people who just want to be treated the same as everyone else? Would you finally see that if it were legal?
 
roguenuke said:
And most of those laws are continually being challenged and overturned when those laws cannot be defended with a legitimate state interest in keeping them active. Especially when those laws discriminate on the basis of something like sex, which is what all anti-same sex marriage laws do.
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No, everything from noise ordinances to jaywalking laws are there for the personal preference of the community. If things that simple deserve to be codified, then something this serious does as well.
 
mac said:
I won't. That's not what it's about.
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That is what it is about, if you want to deny that so you can sleep at night fine, but that is what it is about.
 
Your Star said:
Your entire position is about oppression, atleast sack up, and admit it.
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At this point, it is about his personal pride. Numerous people have eviscerated the faulty logic he has attempted to use to justify his position. He is ashamed of the fact that his religious beliefs are the basis of his opposition and that he is trying to force them down other people's throats. And he now understands that no amount of scientific evidence would affect his opinion on the matter.
 
Your Star said:
That is what it is about, if you want to deny that so you can sleep at night fine, but that is what it is about.
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No, that's what you THINK it's about. I've tried to show you that not everyone fits in your little stereotype, but you don't listen. If you can sleep in that ignorance, more power to ya.
 
CriticalThought said:
At this point, it is about his personal pride. Numerous people have eviscerated the faulty logic he has attempted to use to justify his position. He is ashamed of the fact that his religious beliefs are the basis of his opposition and that he is trying to force them down other people's throats. And he now understands that no amount of scientific evidence would affect his opinion on the matter.
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You are absolutely wrong. My religious beliefs are but part of my overall view of the issue. I've told you that repeatedly, but you're such a bigot that you can't hear anything other than what you want to hear. Further, I'm not ashamed of my religious beleifs so if they were the sole driver of my stance on the issue, I would say that they were.
 
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mac said:
No, everything from noise ordinances to jaywalking laws are there for the personal preference of the community. If things that simple deserve to be codified, then something this serious does as well.
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You are not talking about things that limit the rights of one group of people or allow others certain privileges/rights, such as marriage laws. And there are plenty of rules that do get challenged all the time for their disparity on how they are enforced.

BTW, jaywalking laws are there to keep people safe from walking across traffic and possibly getting hit by a car. Legitimate reason for them.
 
mac said:
No, that's what you THINK it's about. I've tried to show you that not everyone fits in your little stereotype, but you don't listen. If you can sleep in that ignorance, more power to ya.
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Dude, the only reason you don't support same sex marriage is because the idea of two guys getting it on makes you queasy. Your religous beliefs, faulty logic, junk science, etc. are all just what you use to justify denying same sex marriage when in truth its all about your personal aversion to gay sex. The whole civil unions crap is just an appeasement you are making because you will likely never vote on it, and you likely see it as the same as marriage or a step towards marriage anyways. How do I know? Because you have never made an argument as to why gays are entitled to the rights of civil unions.
 
mac said:
No, that's what you THINK it's about. I've tried to show you that not everyone fits in your little stereotype, but you don't listen. If you can sleep in that ignorance, more power to ya.
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Considering your recent homophobic comments, I'm pretty sure that you do fit into a stereotype. I honestly would have never said this one day ago; you should have kept it in mac.
 
mac said:
No, that's what you THINK it's about. I've tried to show you that not everyone fits in your little stereotype, but you don't listen. If you can sleep in that ignorance, more power to ya.
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You want to oppress people, no matter how you rationalize it, that is the end result. Just admit it, or keep lying to yourself.
 
theplaydrive said:
Considering your recent homophobic comments, I'm pretty sure that you do fit into a stereotype. I honestly would have never said this one day ago; you should have kept it in mac.
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Do you know what homophobic means?
 
CriticalThought said:
Dude, the only reason you don't support same sex marriage is because the idea of two guys getting it on makes you queasy. Your religous beliefs, faulty logic, junk science, etc. are all just what you use to justify denying same sex marriage when in truth its all about your personal aversion to gay sex. The whole civil unions crap is just an appeasement you are making because you will likely never vote on it, and you likely see it as the same as marriage or a step towards marriage anyways. How do I know? Because you have never made an argument as to why gays are entitled to the rights of civil unions.
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I have no faulty logic or junk science, and the thought of two guys getting it on doesn't occur to me. What two consenting adults do is their business. What I am is the least reactionary person you'll meet that diagrees with you on this issue and rather than try to get to understand the opposition, you've just decided to be an ass.
 
mac said:
Do you know what homophobic means?
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The psychological definition is...

negative attitudes and feelings towards homosexuality and people identified or perceived as being homosexual.

But being you, I imagine you will try to play the semantic game where you argue that its a "fear" of gay people and then you will go on a tirade about how you don't fear the gays. :roll:
 
mac said:
What I am is the least reactionary person you'll meet that diagrees with you on this issue and rather than try to get to understand the opposition, you've just decided to be an ass.
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And you are a saint. :roll:

I've debated this issue for 15 years. I probably know better than you why you oppose same sex marriage.
 
mac said:
If he has the right to be against anything he likes, why give him crap about it?
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I'm not giving him crap about being against anything he likes....I'm criticizing him for his arrogance in believing that everyone else should adhere to his opinion as well.

There is a HUGE difference.
 
Big Tom said:
But thats exactly what the gay lobby is doing to the rest of the country.
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No they aren't. The gay lobby isn't forcing anyone to change their individual views about what they want to believe. They are simply saying that individuals should have the right to make their own individual decision.
 
theplaydrive said:
See CT's post. You're doing it again - sidestepping and word-twisting.
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I asked you a question. How is that sidestepping or word-twisting?

Me: "Blue"
You: "Stop twisting my words!"
 
CriticalThought said:
And you are a saint. :roll:
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Far from it. Never have claimed to be.

I've debated this issue for 15 years. I probably know better than you why you oppose same sex marriage.
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You don't. As evidenced by your inability to listen to me telling you exactly why I am opposed to it.
 
disneydude said:
I'm not giving him crap about being against anything he likes....I'm criticizing him for his arrogance in believing that everyone else should adhere to his opinion as well.

There is a HUGE difference.
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There's no difference. He doesn't think the way you approve of, and you are criticizing him for it.
 
CriticalThought said:
The psychological definition is...

negative attitudes and feelings towards homosexuality and people identified or perceived as being homosexual.

But being you, I imagine you will try to play the semantic game where you argue that its a "fear" of gay people and then you will go on a tirade about how you don't fear the gays. :roll:
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How does me disagreeing with homosexuality make me homophobic? Keep in mind that I do not give a crap about where you stick whatever where-ever you like to stick it.
 
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