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Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

Jetboogieman said:
You seem to have a really unhealthy obsession with square holes...



You're honestly trying to reason with this person Rogue?

Great post by the way, too bad you wasted it on on someone who will never aknowledge it :(
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Only when they attempt to tell me they are ROUND and its normal, it insults my intelligence. But, if such is NOT A PROBLEM...why do some feel complied to point out that THEY are not a square holes? Just say'n.....
 
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Walter said:
Of course, You can point out (JUDGE) anything....but no one is allowed to JUDGE YOU. I see quite clearly, said the blind man. Again, Laugh My Ass Off.
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Judge all you want. But your refusal to address anything that is actually posted towards you demonstrates your inability to debate logically or to actually address any issue. If you do not like being confronted on this behavior, change it. If you do not, you will continue to be confronted. This is really a very simple concept. Perhaps you might want to examine WHY you refuse to address issues addressed towards you.
 
Walter said:
Only when they attempt to tell me they are ROUND and its normal, it insults my intelligence. But, if such is NOT A PROBLEM...why do some feel complied to point out that THAT are not a square holes? Just say'n.....
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Define normal. I've asked you before and you have refused to answer. If you cannot, just say so. If you refuse, your position is indefensible.
 
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This has been fun SHE/Males but I must go. Its my MO, I simply point out the truth and move along, leaving the spinners to continue to spin, its really quite entertaining, allowing any progressive to paint themselves into the proverbial corner with their own words....and then COME SPINNING OUT.
 
Deuce said:
So, in your opinion, taking away a personal liberty is ok as long as that particular liberty is not something the majority approves of or is not part of some vague concept of a "norm?" Funny how selective you guys get sometimes when it comes to freedom.

By the way, you're in the minority now. The minority who thinks same-sex marriage should be illegal. You also still haven't explained how two dudes getting married even affects you at all, let alone harms you somehow.
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Social Norm is not a vague concept.

http://www.econ.jhu.edu/people/young/palgravesocialnormsjuly07jhu.pdf
National Social Norms Institute
Norm (sociology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Social Norms (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
Introduction to Social Norms and Social Norms Interventions | Higher Education Center for Alcohol and Other Drug Abuse and Violence Prevention


Let me know if you'd like to read any more....
 
Walter said:
This has been fun SHE/Males but I must go. Its my MO, I simply point out the truth and move along, leaving the spinners to continue to spin, its really quite entertaining, allowing any progressive to paint themselves into the proverbial corner with their own words....and then COME SPINNING OUT.
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Of course it's your MO. You spew absurdity, misrepresentation, and stupid comments, and then, when confronted, you scamper away in a cowardly fashion. It's why I enjoy confronting you. I KNOW all I have to do is turn up the heat and you will scatter like leaves in the wind.
 
roguenuke said:
Except for a couple of facts. First of all, you can kill whoever you choose to if you actually are capable of doing it, but that doesn't mean that you can guarantee that you will not face some form of punishment, either from society or from the family/friends of the deceased. On top of that, I highly doubt that God would be very happy with you killing a person just because they were a man who wanted to marry another man or a woman who wanted to marry another woman. Last time I looked, that was definitely not what Jesus would do.

Secondly, I believe that most people have certain agreements on certain right and wrong things. This generally leads to what becomes laws for a society.

The thing about these arguments is that some of us base laws off of the morality that is set down in the US Constitution, which states that every person should have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. By this phrase is how I base my interpretation of what laws should impose upon the population. It requires a very simple test. Do the actions of a person or group affect someone else's right to life, liberty, or the pursuit of happiness in a tangible way? Essentially, does the action cause harm to another person or their property without due cause? Does the action keep someone captive in some way without due process? These things should be what causes laws to be made. Now sometimes one person's liberties have to be weighed against another person's liberties to determine which one is most important. That is what we have courts for.
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Why should anyone BE PUNISHED if there are no ABSOLUTE RIGHTS OR WRONGS, everyone....just like the animal they evolved from determines what is right or wrong. Make up your mind...which side of the road do you wish to traverse, I'll move over, and ALLOW you...to get back to WEIGHING the morality that DOES NOT EXIST.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
Define normal. I've asked you before and you have refused to answer. If you cannot, just say so. If you refuse, your position is indefensible.
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Normal, Societal Acts defined by the MAJORITY position held within any population. Deviant: Any act that deviates from the NORMS established by society. IF queer eye for the straight were indeed NORMAL, the majority of society would be practicing Queer Eye for the Straight Guy, and heterosexuality would be the deviant position. Its not rocket science....just like Round pegs do not go into Square holes..unless some unnatural alterations takes place. But, if you continue to the request ABSOLUTION from the majority of society, its best to get your PRIEST involved.

I could care less what deviant acts of sex you wish to engage upon your neighbor as long as its done in the privacy of your little world. But please....do not go public with your bed room antics and then attempt to SCREAM that someone is invading your privacy. Funny as Hell. Just like ALL THE THREADS that are started....you bring up the subject...but only those that will grant you absolution are allowed to retort...if someone points out the absurdity of the situation, of course they are BIGOTS. Again...funny as hell.
 
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Walter said:
Normal, Societal Acts defined by the MAJORITY position held within any population. Deviant: Any act that deviates from the NORMS established by society. IF queer eye for the straight were indeed NORMAL, the majority of society would be practicing Queer Eye for the Straight Guy, and heterosexuality would be the deviant position. Its not rocket science....just like Round pegs do not go into Square holes..unless some unnatural alterations takes place.
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and norms change over time. Society changes, norms change. That's what's happening now.

edit: it still seems you haven't realized that the correct idiomatic expression is "putting a SQUARE peg in a ROUND hole"...
 
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Walter said:
Normal, Societal Acts defined by the MAJORITY position held within any population. Deviant: Any act that deviates from the NORMS established by society. IF queer eye for the straight were indeed NORMAL, the majority of society would be practicing Queer Eye for the Straight Guy, and heterosexuality would be the deviant position. Its not rocket science....just like Round pegs do not go into Square holes..unless some unnatural alterations takes place.
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Ah, so you are using the normal/deviant scale in mathematical terms. Kinda like lefthandedness or being Jewish in the US would be deviant, right?
 
Jetboogieman said:
You're honestly trying to reason with this person Rogue?

Great post by the way, too bad you wasted it on on someone who will never aknowledge it :(
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I know I am probably wasting my time, but I am pretty stubborn and can't help myself sometimes.

Thank you for the compliment. I am just trying to be honest and wish more people could actually see things my way. I guess though that this is how many people feel, even those who are on the other side.
 
StillBallin75 said:
and norms change over time. Society changes, norms change. That's what's happening now.
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Well, societal norms define what is acceptable in society, and you are correct... that changes over time. I believe that Walter is using the terms in a mathematical sense.
 
I'm kinda shocked that this failed in my home state. Maryland is fairly liberal.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Well, societal norms define what is acceptable in society, and you are correct... that changes over time. I believe that Walter is using the terms in a mathematical sense.
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I don't think he's saying that it's what the majority of society does that's the norm, it's what the majority approves of. For instance, a majority males in this country probably don't masturbate with their left hand. But the vast majority of males probably don't have a problem with other guys using their left hand.
 
StillBallin75 said:
I don't think he's saying that it's what the majority of society does that's the norm, it's what the majority approves of. For instance, a majority males in this country probably don't masturbate with their left hand. But the vast majority of males probably don't have a problem with other guys using their left hand.
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Well, let's let him answer and indicate what he means. If he's talking math, then he's correct... as are my examples. If he's talking approval, I'd like to see some numbers, firstly, and secondly, I'd challenge the relevancy of approval.
 
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StillBallin75 said:
and norms change over time. Society changes, norms change. That's what's happening now.

edit: it still seems you haven't realized that the correct idiomatic expression is "putting a SQUARE peg in a ROUND hole"...
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So the majority of peoples in Society are watching queer eye for the straight guy? And this conclusion in spite of the fact that over 40 states have laws ( a reflection of their morality) on the books that condemns the perversion for what it is. Keep trying to tell people that up is down and black is what, white? it seems to go well with the round peg, square hole theory. You simply cannot force your twisted sense of morality upon people.....regardless of how much you attempt to deceive people...even yourself. If what you are saying is TRUE....why did California, the most LIBERAL STATE in the union just amend their constitution to defend traditional marriage? The facts simply do not mesh with your spinning lies.

As I said....you live in a nation where you are free to engage in what ever activity you wish as long as you do not infringe upon another's privacy...when you go public, you are no longer protected by that personal sphere of privacy. In other words, Don't piss down my back and tell me to relax...ITS ONLY RAIN. I am just as FREE to exercise my Morality as you are to exercise your IMMORALITY....according to the 1st amendment, I am free to tell you as much IF I SO CHOOSE...and I do.
 
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Walter said:
So the majority of Society are watching queer eye for the straight guy? And this conclusion in spite of the fact that over 40 states have laws ( a reflection of their morality) on the books that condemns the perversion for what it is. Keep trying to tell people that up is down and black is what, white? it seems to go well with the round peg, square hole theory.
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So let me ask you a base question.

What makes it a perversion?
 
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