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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Remember that part in the constitution that says anything not covered is the right of the states or people to decide? I paraphrased of course.
    It doesn't say ANYTHING: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
    It says the powers. The people are not here to legislate others, nor are the states. There's a reason a branch of congress was established to accomplish absolutely nothing - indeed, to prevent things from happening.

    Both of you are stretching the original meaning of the tenth amendment.

    As for what you said Jerry
    The people didn't have it in the first place for it to be taken from them.
    As opposed to the government, which did have that power?
    It was never given to the people or the fed, that's why it was given to the state.
    Rights are not given to the people by the government. Our laws do not work so that any rights not given to the people expressly, or powers given to the feds, are given to the state by default.

    The fed govt. has express powers. The states do not. That does not mean states can now decide everything.
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    Both of you are stretching the original meaning of the tenth amendment.
    No, you're changing the meaning.
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    No, you're changing the meaning.
    No, I am not. You guys are the ones who are saying this is one of the things that should be given to the states, with no reasoning behind it.

    You "paraphrased" the tenth amendment to "Well, gee, that's easy.

    Marriage is only legal between a man and a woman, silly."

    That's not a paraphrasing, that's not even close to what it says.

    You quoted DOMA, which regardless of whether this is a state or personal power, is unconstitutional as it is federal intrusion on an establishment it does not have the right to regulate.
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    No, I am not. You guys are the ones who are saying this is one of the things that should be given to the states, with no reasoning behind it.
    Do the States have the right to create and enforce their own laws?
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Do the States have the right to create and enforce their own laws?
    They do, but not when it infringes upon the populace.
    They cannot legislate everything.
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    The fed govt. has express powers. The states do not. That does not mean states can now decide everything.
    Not everything, but what few things the state can decide on, marriage is one of them.

    You need to find a better argument, because marriage is handled at the state level throughout the US, and there's no movement to federalize it. You're argument doesn't work.

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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Not everything, but what few things the state can decide on, marriage is one of them.

    You need to find a better argument, because marriage is handled at the state level throughout the US, and there's no movement to federalize it. You're argument doesn't work.
    I don't want to federalize it. I'm asking how you rationalize [bolded].
    I frankly don't give two ****s about how something is handled now. That doesn't make it right.
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    They do, but not when it infringes upon the populace.
    They cannot legislate everything.
    Are the states allowed to pass laws designed to make the state a safe and pleasant place to live?
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    I don't want to federalize it. I'm asking how you rationalize [bolded].
    You quoted my rational already, though, so what do you want me to do other than copy-paste what's already said?

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    I frankly don't give two ****s about how something is handled now. That doesn't make it right.
    SSM itself is wrong, because either way homosexuality is either a sex related stress disorder or a neurological birth defect. At it's base it's invalid, so if you want it accepted you need to pony up some substantial benefits to the society at large.

    I can do that with gay adoption. I can do that with gays in the military. However, gays aren't particularly interested in what marriage is about, so there's little if any reason at all to even look at a news clip of their cute lil protests let alone actively support them with time and money.
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Are the states allowed to pass laws designed to make the state a safe and pleasant place to live?
    Again, not if benefits one group in favor of another. I'm not sure what safe and pleasant have to do with SSM.
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