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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Incorrect. Unlike family or polygamy, sex is a protected class. The federal government must show an important state interest in denying me a right that it grants the other sex.
    You have the same right as that other sex.

    That other sex noes not have "the right to marry a man".

    That other sex has "the right to marry the opposite sex", just as you do also.

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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    But they can limit rights that do, correct? So when it is determined that the right to ssm to protected under the equal protection clause (which is where we are headed whether you like it or not)....you would then support the government staying out of it, right?
    SSM is not necessarily an automatic under equal protection. The states have the right to restrict applicability of law.
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    So, only gays will get the right to marry the same-sex?

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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You have the same right as that other sex.

    That other sex noes not have "the right to marry a man".

    That other sex has "the right to marry the opposite sex", just as you do also.
    Your argument is circular.

    You argue that I have the same right as the opposite sex because we are both denied the same right. In effect, we are both denied the right to marry our person of choice should that person be the same sex. To justify it, you argue that since we are denied the same right, we are treated equally.

    The government has no right to limit who I choose to form a life long commitment in the form of a marital contract on the basis of sex. As such, the government saying that I can marry someone only as long as I choose someone of the opposite sex, is the government infringing on my liberty.

    And just so it is clear, I'm not arguing that I have a right to marry the same sex, I'm arguing that I have a right to marry the person I choose and the government has no basis to deny me that right on the basis of my sex.
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Your argument is circular.

    You argue that I have the same right as the opposite sex because we are both denied the same right. In effect, we are both denied the right to marry our person of choice should that person be the same sex. To justify it, you argue that since we are denied the same right, we are treated equally.

    The government has no right to limit who I choose to form a life long commitment in the form of a marital contract on the basis of sex. As such, the government saying that I can marry someone only as long as I choose someone of the opposite sex, is the government infringing on my liberty.

    And just so it is clear, I'm not arguing that I have a right to marry the same sex, I'm arguing that I have a right to marry the person I choose and the government has no basis to deny me that right on the basis of my sex.
    Clearly you have no such unlimited right to marry just whomever you want as there are many restrictions on whom you can marry. In order to challenge any of these restrictions, you need to evidence a right which is being infringed upon. Only then does the government need to prove anything. Since you can not establish your right to marry the same sex, the government has free reign to limit it at will.

    Now if you wanted to take gays, transgendered or G.I.D. and say their right to be free from discrimination based on disability or mental defect is being infringed upon, then maybe I could get on board with that.
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Since you can not establish your right to marry the same sex, the government hase free reign to limit it at will.
    Rejected.

    As I said, I don't have to argue that I have a right to marry the same sex.

    I have a right to marry the person that I choose.

    The government has no basis to deny me the freedom of who I choose to marry on the basis of my sex.

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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Rejected.

    As I said, I don't have to argue that I have a right to marry the same sex.

    I have a right to marry the person that I choose.

    The government has no basis to deny me the freedom of who I choose to marry on the basis of my sex.
    Sure it does, and on many other things, as Jerry pointed out.
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    The government has no basis to deny me the freedom of who I choose to marry on the basis of my sex.
    Of course it does.

    On the federal level, the United States Supreme Court has struck down laws that have unconstitutionally targeted gays and lesbians for disparate treatment. Although plaintiffs rely on the federal cases to support the argument that they have a fundamental right to marry under our State Constitution, those cases fall far short of establishing a fundamental right to same-sex marriage "deeply rooted in the traditions, history, and conscience of the people of this State."
    a-68-05.doc.html


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    The government denies your choice of spouse based on familial relation even in the fact of 1. familial relation being a federal protected class, and 2. people who's children will have other more drastic inheritable genetic disorders are NOT barred from marriage.


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    The government denies polygamy even though 1. religion is a federally protected class, and 2. polygamy is more stable than monogamy.


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    It doesn't really matter if gays were born that way. Choosing the same sex is like choosing a second wife or a 1st cousin. It's an inc=valid choice. You are the one who is in the wrong for wanting that.
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    So, only gays will get the right to marry the same-sex?
    If I wasn't allready taken, well I'd.......
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Sure it does, and on many other things, as Jerry pointed out.
    Oh really?

    Exactly why does the government, solely on the basis of my sex, have the right to limit who I choose to marry?

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