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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    what exactly is the point that you are attempting to make here?
    The government can't limit a right which doesn't exist.

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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The right to marry the same sex doesn't exist for gays to point to another group and say "they can do it why can't we".
    Incorrect. Men can marry women but women can't marry women. Women can marry men but men can't marry men. Each gender group has a right that the other does not.

    As such, why should I not be able to make the most important decision of my life and form a legally recognized relationship with the person I love just because I'm the same sex as that individual? And why am I entitled to marry someone I do not love and am not committed to just because they are of the opposite sex? That is gender discrimination no matter how you look at it. As a man, I am not entitled to a right that every woman has, and that right is to form a legally recognized commitment to the man I love. Furthermore, your position places the sex of two individuals getting married as more important than the love or commitment they have for one another.
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The government can't limit a right which doesn't exist.
    But they can limit rights that do, correct? So when it is determined that the right to ssm to protected under the equal protection clause (which is where we are headed whether you like it or not)....you would then support the government staying out of it, right?
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Incorrect. Men can marry women but women can't marry women. Women can marry men but men can't marry men. Each gender group has a right that the other does not.

    As such, why should I not be able to make the most important decision of my life and form a legally recognized relationship with the person I love just because I'm the same sex as that individual? And why am I entitled to marry someone I do not love and am not committed to just because they are of the opposite sex? That is gender discrimination no matter how you look at it. As a man, I am not entitled to a right that every woman has, and that right is to form a legally recognized commitment to the man I love. Furthermore, your position places the sex of two individuals getting married as more important than the love or commitment they have for one another.
    Very well said!
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Incorrect. Men can marry women but women can't marry women. Women can marry men but men can't marry men. Each gender group has a right that the other does not.
    Everyone has the right to marry the opposite sex, while no one has the right to marry the same sex. I think you framed that correctly.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    As such, why should I not be able to make the most important decision of my life and form a legally recognized relationship with the person I love just because I'm the same sex as that individual?
    Because you are the same sex of that individual.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    And why am I entitled to marry someone I do not love and am not committed to just because they are of the opposite sex?
    If you don't love them, then when you recite your vows in the solemnization process you are committing fraud on the other person and they can sue you accordingly.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    That is gender discrimination no matter how you look at it. As a man, I am not entitled to a right that every woman has, and that right is to form a legally recognized commitment to the man I love.
    Right, it's gender discrimination, and that's ok. Perfectly acceptable. Anti-incest is familial discrimination, anti-polygamy is marital-status/religious discrimination. So what? So you're being discriminated against....who cares.

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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Everyone has the right to marry the opposite sex, while no one has the right to marry the same sex. I think you framed that correctly.
    And where does this "right to marry the opposite sex" come from?
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    But they can limit rights that do, correct? So when it is determined that the right to ssm to protected under the equal protection clause (which is where we are headed whether you like it or not)....you would then support the government staying out of it, right?
    I don't see how the state could stay out of it.

    The whole point of getting a legal marriage is to receive special privileges and right from the state. When you get married you're making your personal life the state's business.

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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Because you are the same sex of that individual.
    Gender discrimination. It is a denial to my Constitutional right to equal protection under the law. As you may or may not be aware, individual Constitutional rights are supreme in our land.

    If you don't love them, then when you recite your vows in the solemnization process you are committing fraud on the other person and they can sue you accordingly.
    That is a lie.

    Right, it's gender discrimination, and that's ok. Perfectly acceptable. Anti-incest is familial discrimination, anti-polygamy is marital-status/religious discrimination. So what? So you're being discriminated against....who cares.
    Incorrect. Unlike family or polygamy, sex is a protected class. The federal government must show an important state interest in denying me a right that it grants the other sex.
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    And where does this "right to marry the opposite sex" come from?

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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Gender discrimination. It is a denial to my Constitutional right to equal protection under the law. As you may or may not be aware, individual Constitutional rights are supreme in our land.



    That is a lie.



    Incorrect. Unlike family or polygamy, sex is a protected class. The federal government must show an important state interest in denying me a right that it grants the other sex.
    it's not gender discrimination. that said, any rights we enjoy were endowed by us, for us. under the constitution, we can easily allow ssm, as you mentioned, the equal protection clause.

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