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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    The law applies equally to all people. I remember that being a mildly important issue back in the day.

    I can't wait for it to go to the SC. There's no good legal argument you can make.
    It does, but the law can group individuals and identify individuals that specific laws do or do not apply too.
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    It does, but the law can group individuals and identify individuals that specific laws do or do not apply too.
    The only reason that the law would exclude same-sex relationships would be because of certain interpretations of the Bible. Interpretations of the Bible are a not a reasonable foundation for deciding law in such a secular society.

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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    When I asked you before what about heterosexuality is biology, you said "procreation". Now you are discussing procretation as a learned behavior. mac... you can't play both sides of the street. If you are stating that procreation is the biological component of heterosexuality, I will argue that. If you are saying that it is a learned component of heterosexuality, I will argue THAT. Can't pick and choose depending on my rebuttal.
    No, that's not what's going on here CC. You asked me of I though heterosexuality was a learned behavior. What I said was I think it could be and if it were, these are the things that would probably affect it.

    Really? Can I have a quote from the designer on this?
    . Listen, most discussions of sexual intercourse from a clinical perspective, outside the homo/hetero context will tell you this. Why does it not apply in this context?

    Yes, it is your own theory and deals with teh word "normal" which is as problematic as the word "natural". None of this, however, addresses my point about the biological component that is exclusive to heterosexuality.
    The biological component is procreation+anatomy.

    Firstly, again, I need a quote from the designer that justifies your position on this. Secondly, sexual reproduction is not the only reason for sexual intercourse. Thirdly, you are talking about sexual behaviors... behaviors that are also performed by heterosexuals, so equating anal sex to homosexuals is irrelevant, both because it is a behavior, not an orientation and because it is not exclusive to gays. And lastly, I already posted that procreation is a separate issue from sexual orientation.
    I didn't say it is exclusive to homosexuals. What I said was that is was dangerous, and it seems less natural as a primary method of sexual activity than vaginal intercourse. To me That could be a reason to lean toward heterosexuality.

    I understand your point of view. I do not accept it because of all the reasons I have outlined.
    I don't think you do understand, to be honest, but thank you for being gracious.
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    . Listen, most discussions of sexual intercourse from a clinical perspective, outside the homo/hetero context will tell you this. Why does it not apply in this context?

    The biological component is procreation+anatomy.
    How do you reconcile the anatomical reality of the prostate with your views?

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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBook View Post
    To Mac: If homosexuality is truly a choice and therefore SSM should not be covered under equal protection (as it seems your argument has become) would you endeavor to prove it by choosing to be gay for a day?

    It doesn't mean you have to have sex with a man or anything, but simply choose to find men attractive and women entirely unappealing.

    If you do this, then you will prove your case. If you attempt this and fail, that would be substantial evidence that you are incorrect. Don't worry, afterward you can choose to be heterosexual again, as if homosexuality is a choice, then so must heterosexuality, bisexuality, etc. etc.
    You're not really understanding choice, in this context. It's not s imple choice to follow a lifestyle, it's a choice that takes years to make and as such once a lifestyle is chosen and lived for some time, it's generally not a simple choice to change.

    I do know both hetero and homosexuals who have "switched" for the sake of experimentation though. I haven't personally but I think their example is enough to prove your premise wrong.
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The difference is that we aren't the ones claiming to be "conservative"
    Nor am I, as I'm not. What I am is an independent that sees issue for what they are and support the ones I feel strongly about despite which side of the line the fall on.
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    The only reason that the law would exclude same-sex relationships would be because of certain interpretations of the Bible. Interpretations of the Bible are a not a reasonable foundation for deciding law in such a secular society.
    I don't think that is the only reason. I think there are others the courts will take into account.
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    How do you reconcile the anatomical reality of the prostate with your views?
    As an analogy I would think of it as hot wiring a car. Because it's possible to get it started this way doesn't mean it's the right way to go. It's not secret what that part of the body is for, and as such has a high level of bacteria. This alone makes other activity in the area unnatural, despite the outcome.
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    As an analogy I would think of it as hot wiring a car. Because it's possible to get it started this way doesn't mean it's the right way to go. It's not secret what that part of the body is for, and as such has a high level of bacteria. This alone makes other activity in the area unnatural, despite the outcome.
    That is an argument against anal sex, not an argument against homosexuality. Generally speaking, 10% of men report having had anal sex and 9% of women also report having had anal sex. It's by far not a behavior limited to homosexuals. In fact, anal sex is practiced by fewer than half of gay men. As the result of the threat of HIV, gay and bisexual men have come to prefer mutual masturbation, oral sex, and frotting. It is safe to say that more heterosexuals perform anal sex than homosexuals.



    So a few questions...is homosexuality fine for those men who do not engage in anal sex? Is lesbian sex fine in that most lesbians do not engage in anal sex? Is heterosexual sex bad if men and women engage in anal sex? Do you see the problem of trying to associate a sexual behavior with a sexual orientation?
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    ...and as such has a high level of bacteria.
    You are aware that this is true of the vagina as well, right?

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