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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

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    By proving that it is or is not genetic.
    What about biological factors other than genetics? What about epigenetics? What about fetal hormones? What about neurological changes resulting from trauma? How about viruses or chemical pollutants?

    How about nurturing factors that might exclude choice such as socialization or habituation?

    If it's proven to be genetic, then I would assume people were born gay and leave it at that.
    I believe the current consensus by the scientific community is that homosexuality is the result of a complex interaction of genetics, inborn hormones, cognitive factors, and environmental factors. If that is the case then would homosexuality be a choice or not a choice?

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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    What about biological factors other than genetics? What about epigenetics? What about fetal hormones? What about neurological changes resulting from trauma? How about viruses or chemical pollutants?
    What about it? If it's proven it's proven.

    How about nurturing factors that might exclude choice such as socialization or habituation?
    How about alien social engineering. If it's scientifically proven to be outside the control of the person, then I'll change my view. So, throw up ten more what ifs....my answer will be the same.

    I believe the current consensus by the scientific community is that homosexuality is the result of a complex interaction of genetics, inborn hormones, cognitive factors, and environmental factors. If that is the case then would homosexuality be a choice or not a choice?
    The current consensus is it May be.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    The current consensus is it May be.....
    Interesting. Well you argue that homosexuality is a choice. So what scientific evidence do you have to support that notion? How do you prove that something is a choice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Interesting. Well you argue that homosexuality is a choice. So what scientific evidence do you have to support that notion? How do you prove that something is a choice?
    I don't have proof that it is a choice. What I have is evidence leading me to believe it is....combined with other factors not worth talking to you about. Before you say it, yes I do understand that there is evidence that it may not be a choice as well.....the operative of the day however, is may.

    See how much easier this is when we are being civil?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I don't have proof that it is a choice. What I have is evidence leading me to believe it is....combined with other factors not worth talking to you about. Before you say it, yes I do understand that there is evidence that it may not be a choice as well.....the operative of the day however, is may.
    Also interesting. So speaking in purely physiological terms, would you say that you could choose to get an erection for another man as you may for a woman?

    What other preferences do you choose? Could you choose to like your least favorite food? Could you choose to dislike your favorite food?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Also interesting. So speaking in purely physiological terms, would you say that you could choose to get an erection for another man as you may for a woman?
    I don't know, I haven't tried.....it's not happened by accident if that's what you mean. Am I to be the measure of humanity?

    What other preferences do you choose? Could you choose to like your least favorite food? Could you choose to dislike your favorite food?
    Uhm, yeah....they change frequently.....I like variety.
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    I don't know, I haven't tried.....it's not happened by accident if that's what you mean. Am I to be the measure of humanity?
    Given that your personal experience and upbringing is part of the justification you are using in your opposition to same sex marriage, it seems fair that it should be used to explore the other side. I cannot remember a time in my entire life that I have become sexually aroused from looking at a woman. Did I choose not to have an erection? At what point in your life did you choose not to become sexually aroused by men?

    Uhm, yeah....they change frequently.....I like variety.
    Read the questions again. Personally, I could never like my least favorite food. Just the thought of it makes me ill.
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Given that your personal experience and upbringing is part of the justification you are using in your opposition to same sex marriage, it seems fair that it should be used to explore the other side. I cannot remember a time in my entire life that I have become sexually aroused from looking at a woman. Did I choose not to have an erection? At what point in your life did you choose not to become sexually aroused by men?
    My personal experience is that I am heterosexual. I believe it to be the natural coarse, as such my having not chosen a different path means I chose heterosexuality. Perhaps by default. Conformist that I am......

    Read the questions again. Personally, I could never like my least favorite food. Just the thought of it makes me ill.
    There is no food that I detest...but I get your jist. IF you are asking me if I could choose to be homosexual...my answer is is suppose I could if I had to for some hypothetical reason....but I would likely choose the other door, so to speak.
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    My bad. This is more difficult.....I don't rule out that it is a choice, but I tend to lean towards more of a "natural course" point of view on it. In my view, it obviously has biology pushing for it, so if it is a choice, it is heavily influenced by biology. I also recognize the gender conforming personality traits could lead us to emulate behaviors of our mentors.
    OK... I see the gender conforming piece... that is you being consistent with your description of homosexuality. How is it influenced by biology?
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I believe the current consensus by the scientific community is that homosexuality is the result of a complex interaction of genetics, inborn hormones, cognitive factors, and environmental factors. If that is the case then would homosexuality be a choice or not a choice?
    Correction CT: the current consensus by the scientific community is that sexual orientation is the result of a complex interaction of genetics, inborn hormones, cognitive factors, and environmental factors. Not just homosexuality, but heterosexuality also.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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