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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

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    Do you see heterosexuality as a choice? Why or why not?
    I believe it to be a choice influenced by learned traits and behaviors. I believe a combination of personality traits, such as non-conformity, lead one to a lifestyle that is different than the norm. The fetish aspect of breaking taboos could influence homosexual preference. "Enlightenment" and education could lead one to question and confront accepted morality. Things of this nature.

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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I believe it to be a choice influenced by learned traits and behaviors. I believe a combination of personality traits, such as non-conformity, lead one to a lifestyle that is different than the norm. The fetish aspect of breaking taboos could influence homosexual preference. "Enlightenment" and education could lead one to question and confront accepted morality. Things of this nature.

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    Reread my question. I asked, "do you see HETEROsexuality as a choice? Why or why not?"
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    If homosexuality were a choice, then why shouldn't two people of the same sex be allowed to marry? In my opinion, it doesn't matter whether someone chooses to be gay or is born gay. I think everyone is entitled to marry the person they love. Why shouldn't people have that choice if homosexuality were a choice?
    That is your opinion. I was raised to beleive otherwise, and my religion says it's wrong. If it's choice, than my religion is not wrong, if it is not a choice, then my religion is wrong. The available evidence so far tells me that my religion is not wrong.

    What do you value that I don't value?
    My religious beliefs.

    In a world where logic does not matter, then it would be arrogance. But we do live in a logical world with logical rules.
    I did not say logic does not matter, what I said was there was more to it than logic.
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Reread my question. I asked, "do you see HETEROsexuality as a choice? Why or why not?"
    My bad. This is more difficult.....I don't rule out that it is a choice, but I tend to lean towards more of a "natural course" point of view on it. In my view, it obviously has biology pushing for it, so if it is a choice, it is heavily influenced by biology. I also recognize the gender conforming personality traits could lead us to emulate behaviors of our mentors.
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Actually, I could go get married anywhere in the United States. There is no law keeping me going to a gay friendly church and getting married by a pastor. The only thing I'm prohibited is the license and the rights attached to it.
    Indeed.

    What does that have to do with sexual discrimination? That sounds like a terrible strawman to me. A man is denied a right that woman has and a woman is denied a right that a man has. That is obvious sexual discrimination.
    It's not a strawman....it's showing you how (some) people that oppose SSM view it.
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    That is your opinion. I was raised to beleive otherwise, and my religion says it's wrong. If it's choice, than my religion is not wrong, if it is not a choice, then my religion is wrong. The available evidence so far tells me that my religion is not wrong.
    Exactly how do you prove something is or is not a choice?

    Furthermore, what if it is a choice for some people but not for others? If it turns out that some people choose to be gay and others are born gay will you require some sort of test so that the ones who were born gay are the only ones that can enter into same sex marriage?
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

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    It's not a strawman....it's showing you how (some) people that oppose SSM view it.
    It is totally a strawman. A strawman argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. Explain to me what dolphins have to do with sexual discrimination.

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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Exactly how do you prove something is or is not a choice?
    By proving that it is or is not genetic.

    Furthermore, what if it is a choice for some people but not for others? If it turns out that some people choose to be gay and others are born gay will you require some sort of test so that the ones who were born gay are the only ones that can enter into same sex marriage?
    If it's proven to be genetic, then I would assume people were born gay and leave it at that.
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    By proving that it is or is not genetic.
    Genetics isn't the only was for something to not be a choice.
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Genetics isn't the only was for something to not be a choice.
    I agree, but it makes logical sense to me that it would be, if it were other than a choice. Proving that it was an unconsciously learned behavior would be far harder to conclusively document though, if it were the case. Any study leaning that way would have to be pretty damn compelling.
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