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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

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    Appeal to tradition, not a valid argument.
    On it's own, you'd have point. But I'm not trying to win a debate, and it's not my only argument.
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

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    Any right or law not specifically included in the Constitution is reserved for the states and the people....most of them have made laws stating that marriage is between a man and a woman.
    Equal protection under law is a right specifically stated in the Constitution. If a law doesn't apply to everyone equally, without due process then it is unconstitutional.It's not hard to understand.
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

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    Any right or law not specifically included in the Constitution is reserved for the states and the people....most of them have made laws stating that marriage is between a man and a woman.
    1. All of those laws are unconstitutional.
    2. The right to be unconstitutional is NOT reserved for the states and the people which is why the 14th amendment was added to ensure equal protection under the law.
    2. States and citizens have the right to create rights and laws that are constitutional - 14th amendment adds equal protection.

    Defining marriage between a man and a woman is inherently unconstitutional because it goes against the 14th amendment. The Constitution does not specify any moral or ethical guides for defining marriage; therefore, it's definition must, by the 14th amendment and by the absence references to marriage, not exclude any citizens.

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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

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    On it's own, you'd have point. But I'm not trying to win a debate, and it's not my only argument.
    Then what are you trying to do?

    And all your other arguments have been debunked.
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    Equal protection under law is a right specifically stated in the Constitution. If a law doesn't apply to everyone equally, without due process then it is unconstitutional.It's not hard to understand.
    And it's not hard to understand that marriage is defined as between a man and a woman, that except in a few places, marriage between a man and a man or woman and woman is not seen as a right.
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

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    And it's not hard to understand that marriage is defined as between a man and a woman, that except in a few places, marriage between a man and a man or woman and woman is not seen as a right.
    And we are saying that it is in violation of the 14th amendment, it's not hard to understand, you just don't want to accept our argument.
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    Then what are you trying to do?

    And all your other arguments have been debunked.
    No they haven't. Has it been proven that homosexuality is anything other than a choice?
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

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    And we are saying that it is in violation of the 14th amendment, it's not hard to understand, you just don't want to accept our argument.
    It's not hard to understand that not everyone see it as a violation, clearly, or the SCOTUS would have struck down SSM prohibitions.
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

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    And it's not hard to understand that marriage is defined as between a man and a woman, that except in a few places, marriage between a man and a man or woman and woman is not seen as a right.
    You conveniently ignored my post where I proved you wrong, let me repost it:

    1. All of those laws are unconstitutional.
    2. The right to be unconstitutional is NOT reserved for the states and the people which is why the 14th amendment was added to ensure equal protection under the law.
    2. States and citizens have the right to create rights and laws that are constitutional - 14th amendment adds equal protection.

    Defining marriage between a man and a woman is inherently unconstitutional because it goes against the 14th amendment. The Constitution does not specify any moral or ethical guides for defining marriage; therefore, it's definition must, by the 14th amendment and by the absence references to marriage, not exclude any citizens.

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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    No they haven't. Has it been proven that homosexuality is anything other than a choice?
    choice has nothing to do with constitution. focus on the Constitution.

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