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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    First, you're talking about what I do or do not understand. At present you are not free to gt married (in most places in the US) Second, not all actions should be freedoms.
    You have to prove why it shouldn't be allowed, and don't use you religion, it's an invalid argument.

    And please acknowledge that allowing SSM does not violate your rights in anyway, and that it violates my rights.
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

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    Right there, putting a law in that is based on a religion, is prohibiting the free exercise thereof of people who do not agree with that particular religion.
    What that says is Congress can't make a state religion or ban a religion from being practiced. That's all that means.

    Why shouldn't it?
    Really, you want to go over all that again?

    And you have no argument to counter my view, no surprise though.
    I offered plenty. Because you don't agree with them doesn't mean their aren't opposing views.
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

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    This to me is the basic truth of the argument. However, I would prefer it from some one with a different avatar.
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

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    You have to prove why it shouldn't be allowed, and don't use you religion, it's an invalid argument.
    Why? It's already not allowed...I'm not trying to change anything.

    And please acknowledge that allowing SSM does not violate your rights in anyway, and that it violates my rights.
    Well, if there were a right for homosexuals to marry, and it was being denied you, then you're rights would be violated. Since SSM is not a right, you're rights are not being violated.
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Why? It's already not allowed...I'm not trying to change anything.
    But you have to prove why it should stay law. So far you haven't.


    Well, if there were a right for homosexuals to marry, and it was being denied you, then you're rights would be violated. Since SSM is not a right, you're rights are not being violated.
    We are being denied equal protection under law. Which is a right.
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    But you have to prove why it should stay law. So far you haven't.
    Well, no, I don't, and what makes you think I'm trying to?

    We are being denied equal protection under law. Which is a right.
    Equal protection under the law doesn't grant new rights.
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Regardless, the idea that each and every one of is deserves either...is a moral.
    1. Freedom is a moral/ethic/value. Equality is the same. Security is based in common sense and survival.
    2. We base law on freedom, equality and security. For example, murder is illegal because it threatens freedom and security.
    3. We do not base law on whether it stands up to morals OTHER THAN freedom and equality.
    4. Homosexuality does not threaten freedom and equality.
    5. Homosexuality does not go against any of the morals that the founding fathers included in the constitution/bill of rights.

    Edit: What you fail to acknowledge is that the people who made our rights chose which morals to base society on; they chose which morals they believed were valuable. Perversion was not one of them; equality was.

    Edit2: Furthermore, our constitution, etc. is built upon SPECIFIC MORALS, not upon the pool of all potential moralities. We reference the SPECIFIC morals when we make laws. Every generations gets closer and closer to sticking strictly to the morals/guidelines specified in the constitution.
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Well, no, I don't, and what makes you think I'm trying to?
    Yes you do, we are saying it should be legal, and have provided logical reasoning for it. You have to prove us wrong.

    Equal protection under the law doesn't grant new rights.[/QUOTE]

    Equal protection under law is about making the law apply equally to everybody, and that is what SSM does, not create new rights.
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Yes you do, we are saying it should be legal, and have provided logical reasoning for it. You have to prove us wrong.
    That's not how it works, you have to present a compelling case to the supreme court or vote in people that will make your laws.

    Equal protection under law is about making the law apply equally to everybody, and that is what SSM does, not create new rights.
    It does actually, since marriage is defined as between a man and a woman. No law is being applied unequally.
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    That's not how it works, you have to present a compelling case to the supreme court or vote in people that will make your laws.
    We have, yet you have yet to provide a compelling case to keep said law. You can't hide the fact that your position isn't based in logic by saying this.

    It does actually, since marriage is defined as between a man and a woman. No law is being applied unequally.
    And we are saying that having marriage as only one man, and one woman is a violation of equal protection, no new rights are created.
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