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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

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    You just want to deny him the ability to get married to the person he wants. Your whole position on SSM brings confrontation.
    Not if I were talking to a bunch of people that agreed with me. Why don't we all do that from now on, just talk to the people that hold the same views.
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I don't know that it does any real and imminent harm, that's why my opposition would be easily reversed with scientific evidence. More religious, conservative, people than myself won't be as easily swayed.
    You want scientific evidence disproving your religous beliefs?

    You do realize that in your belief system, all humanity is genetically derived from just two people, serpents are capable of human speech, two of every animal survived on a massive ark, and people can walk on water, can turn water into wine, and make food appear from nowhere?

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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Then why don't you?
    I plan too, whenever I find the person I want to marry, but that doesn't change the fact that the marriage wouldn't be recognized by the government. My point is that this debate isn't about religion, but the law.

    Society must be made to feel that their wishes and wants have value. If they do not, you see large scale unrest. Like we saw in the US in 60s.
    Like when society wanted to stop the movement for blacks to become equal in society, and it eventually erupted when the oppressed minority group said enough is enough?

    I don't know that it does any real and imminent harm, that's why my opposition would be easily reversed with scientific evidence. More religious, conservative, people than myself won't be as easily swayed.
    If it doesn't cause any real harm, then why should it not be made law, even if it is a choice?
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    But until someone can prove me or my Religion wrong on the issue, then I'll continue looking.
    If it's all about your religion, why bother with the natural and normal fallacies? Why not simply state:

    Premise 1: I believe the bible to be accurate about what it describes as immoral
    Premise 2: The bible describes homosexuality as immoral.
    Conclusion: Therefore I believe that homosexuality is immoral.

    At least you'd have valid logic.

    The arguments you do present about normal and natural are simply not valid logic. They are attempts to use things other than the bible to justify your beliefs. You don't need anything more in order to justify your beliefs about morality, though.

    Where you would need more than just the bible is when you take your own moral beliefs and attempt to influence legislation with it. This is why so many arguments against gay marriage are fallacious. Those who oppose gay marriage, in many cases, do so based entirely on their moral views which stem from the bible or religion.

    Yet they know a biblical basis will not be accepted for legal purposes, so they try to come up with other arguments, even though these arguments are not the one's which convinced them that homosexuality is immoral and "wrong". This is why those arguments are often illogical.

    But if your views are based on the bible and religion, just stick with that. Say "I believe homosexuality is immoral because of my religion. I don't really care if it is normal or natural. As long as it is considered immoral by my religion, I will always believe it is immoral."

    That's an honest argument because, ultimately, that's what's going on. Your views are fixed on this. I would guess that it would take nothing short of the Pope himself saying that homosexuality is morally acceptable for those views to change.

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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    You want scientific evidence disproving your religous beliefs?
    Yes.

    You do realize that in your belief system, all humanity is genetically derived from just two people, serpents are capable of human speech, two of every animal survived on a massive ark, and people can walk on water, can turn water into wine, and make food appear from nowhere?
    I do realize that's how you see it, sure.
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Lol, you're not confrontational?
    I don't take bullcrap from people and you carry a big shovel.

    I find it offensive because you mean it to be. You are being insulting.
    The only reason you find it offensive is because you are ashamed of it. This was your choice. You chose to intuitively accept a religious doctrine as absolute and to expect others to live in accordance with it. If you find your lifestyle insulting then maybe you need to reconsider your lifestyle. I'm not responsible for you feeling guilty about your choice of lifestyle.

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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I plan too, whenever I find the person I want to marry, but that doesn't change the fact that the marriage wouldn't be recognized by the government. My point is that this debate isn't about religion, but the law.



    Like when society wanted to stop the movement for blacks to become equal in society, and it eventually erupted when the oppressed minority group said enough is enough?



    If it doesn't cause any real harm, then why should it not be made law, even if it is a choice?
    It's alright, Georgia sucks, you can come hang out in Maryland and get married when it passes next year
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I plan too, whenever I find the person I want to marry, but that doesn't change the fact that the marriage wouldn't be recognized by the government. My point is that this debate isn't about religion, but the law.
    Yeah, but everyone else's point is that it's not just about the law. It's about society.

    Like when society wanted to stop the movement for blacks to become equal in society, and it eventually erupted when the oppressed minority group said enough is enough?
    It erupted when far more than the minority group said enough is enough. But, otherwise...yeah, I agree with that statement. Change society.

    If it doesn't cause any real harm, then why should it not be made law, even if it is a choice?
    Because it's contrary to societies wishes, at least for now.
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Because it's contrary to societies wishes, at least for now.
    Appeal to the majority. Just another one to add to the list.

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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Because cow's milk is supposed to be food for for baby cows, not humans. Just like human milk is supposed to be food for baby humans. Whereas, humans are supposed to eat the meat of animals and were doing so well before animals were domesticated.

    Now, one could argue that domestication is not "normal". And at one point, it wasn't. It was a revolutionary idea.

    And drinking cow's milk was certainly not normal prior to the domestication of livestock. The first person to drink cow's milk was certainly engaging in abnormal behavior. Shockingly so, in fact. Probably as shocking as the idea of drinking dog's milk would be to most people nowadays. Or rat milk.

    Since the statement was "making the abnormal normal" I figured I'd take a moment to point out that the claim was not very well thought out because almost everything that we consider normal today was, at one point, considered abnormal.

    In fact, on teh other side of the coin, a great many things we would consider abnormal today were considered quite normal in the past. Christianity, for example, was abnormal at one point.

    It's important to remember that what one person considers normal was more than likely abnormal at one point, and it could be considered abnormal in the future as well.
    I object to your use of the phrase "supposed to".
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