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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    To the people who want to say homosexuality is immoral, why is it immoral?
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    But your defintiion doesn't support your claim that it is unnatural. At best, you can only say that whether or not it is natural is unknown using that definition.
    Can't even say that. Unless the monkeys are in on the gay agenda...
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I said I couldn't see that you provided a definition of natural. You proved me wrong, but I certainly did not lie.
    Actually, you originally said:

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    I just went back to the old thread. You didn't define natural. You argued that homosexuality is a learned behavior and that learned behaviors are not natural.
    That was a lie according to definition 1b here: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lie

    an untrue or inaccurate statement that may or may not be believed true by the speaker

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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    It isn't normal simply in that such a small percentage of our species is homosexual. My argument is that it isn't natural, combine that with my upbringing, my religion, and thousands of years of human history, and you find my opposition.
    As has been pointed out earlier, being lefthanded or jewish is something a small percentage of our species does, but is "normal" or "natural".
    Any other arguments that homosexuality doesn't abide by your definition?
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBook View Post
    Wait, really?

    Homosexual behavior in animals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    One animal worth looking at is the Bonobo, an ape known for its common bisexuality and routine orgies.

    Bonobo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    I'm familiar with the bonobo. Comparing us to animals in nature is an appeal to nature which doesn't really help your case. Mainly because you don't know why they engage in these behaviors. Bononbos and Chimps are VERY closely related and yet you don't see that behavior in Chimps....
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    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    As has been pointed out earlier, being lefthanded or jewish is something a small percentage of our species does, but is "normal" or "natural".
    Any other arguments that homosexuality doesn't abide by your definition?
    Homosexuality doesn't serve any benefit to our species. In my view, if homosexuality were natural, our bodies would accommodate it and it would serve a function in our species.
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I'm familiar with the bonobo. Comparing us to animals in nature is an appeal to nature which doesn't really help your case. Mainly because you don't know why they engage in these behaviors. Bononbos and Chimps are VERY closely related and yet you don't see that behavior in Chimps....
    Why does there have to be a reason?

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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I'm familiar with the bonobo. Comparing us to animals in nature is an appeal to nature which doesn't really help your case. Mainly because you don't know why they engage in these behaviors. Bononbos and Chimps are VERY closely related and yet you don't see that behavior in Chimps....
    But we are animals in nature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Can't even say that. Unless the monkeys are in on the gay agenda...
    Actually, one can say that because it might be natural for monkeys or apes or any oteh rspecies of animal while not being natural for humans. Just because something is true of one species doesn't mean it is true of all species, even related ones. While I happen to believe that homosexuality is natural in humans and that that observations of monkesy and apes supports that belief, logically speaking one can't make the claim that homosexuality being natural for other species definitively proves that it is natural in humans.

    In a purely logical sense, one can't make a definitive claim in either direction.

    Granted, naturalness has no bearing on whether or not something should be acceptable or even whether or not it is normal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Homosexuality doesn't serve any benefit to our species. In my view, if homosexuality were natural, our bodies would accommodate it and it would serve a function in our species.
    What benefit does being left-handed serve us?

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