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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    edit: too many pages back forget it
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I took a day to define my view of natural (not a special view) as I was asked to do by a participant in the conversation. I did that. There was no lie there, except for the fact that If I call the sky blue, you call it a lie.
    I just went back to the old thread. You didn't define natural. You argued that homosexuality is a learned behavior and that learned behaviors are not natural.

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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    That makes sense in a place where it wasn't so widespread. In Greece it was commonplace by some accounts, perceived as as natural and acceptable as heterosexuality.
    Actually it was perceived as superior to heterosexuality (well, male homosexuality was at any rate) for various cultural and mainly sexist reasons.

    Although maybe a more accurate example would be Rome. Essentially you just saw what you see after any wide-spread revolution leading to the destruction of a society. i.e. change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I just went back to the old thread. You didn't define natural. You argued that homosexuality is a learned behavior and that learned behaviors are not natural.
    Let me get this clear: You are saying that I never provided a definition of natural?
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    You did say that, or at least implied it.
    No, that's another lie.

    I stated something entirely different than that. If you didn't understand what I said, then ask. Ddon't invent things that I didn't say. By inventing things and then claiming that I said them, you are lying.



    That's a lie.

    What portion is a lie, because there is no doubt at all that what you said is a strawman. If you are asying it was an inadvertent strawman, then I appologize for saying it was dishonest. It was, however, dishonest to claim that I said it when you clearly didn't understand what I said, in which case, you are still engaging in dishonesty.

    I actually thought you wanted to discuss the issue rather than pour out more vitriol.
    You are the one creating strawmen and then accusing me of saying the things you've created in your strawmen despite the fact that I did not say them.

    Pointing that out is not vitriol. If you don't like it, then stop making false claims about what I have said.

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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Let me get this clear: You are saying that I never provided a definition of natural?
    None that I can see.

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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBook View Post
    Actually it was perceived as superior to heterosexuality (well, male homosexuality was at any rate) for various cultural and mainly sexist reasons.

    Although maybe a more accurate example would be Rome. Essentially you just saw what you see after any wide-spread revolution leading to the destruction of a society. i.e. change.
    Why would homosexuality be singled out to be gotten rid off in that revolution?
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    None that I can see.
    Then you are a liar.
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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I just went back to the old thread. You didn't define natural. You argued that homosexuality is a learned behavior and that learned behaviors are not natural.
    Actually, he did end up providing a definition of natural in that thread. Granted, it was a made up definition that he designed specifically to try and claim that homosexuality was unnatural and it contradicted his earlier claims about things he did consider natural, but he did end up providing one.

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    Re: Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Then you are a liar.
    I can't see any definition of natural that you have provided. Provide one if I am lying.

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