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PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

Brad was trying to save the lives of fellow soldiers and civillians by exposing the corruption involved in US foreign policy.

He is a hero.
 
Kane said:
Brad was trying to save the lives of fellow soldiers and civillians by exposing the corruption involved in US foreign policy.

He is a hero.
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LoLz.......
 
Some liberal you are.
 
Kane said:
Some liberal you are.
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A thinking one. One who does not define their positions based on their ideology, but comes to an ideology based on my stance on issues. I also reject the notion that being a liberal means you are not strong on law and order, nor does being a liberal mean you don't love the US and hate those working against her.
 
I think you're a Republican
 
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The ones in jail should be Bush/Cheney and Rumsfeld
 
today: crowley's OUT

P.J. Crowley resigns over Manning remark - Mike Allen and Josh Gerstein - POLITICO.com

last week: White House distances itself from Clapper remarks - Glenn Thrush and MJ Lee - POLITICO.com

mature americans cannot remember a white house so amateur and utterly undisciplined

remember blair, mcchrystal, jones and the waterbugs?

remember when betray-us was summoned at the last second to rescue obama's addled afghanistan policy?

when's barry gonna meet with the leaders of iran, without preconditions?

what happened to the mideast peace talks?

where are climate accords, where's chinese currency, what's going on on the border?

it is what it is

the nobel peace prize winner has no more clue how to conduct a foreign policy than he does about economics or american politics

remember the time he asked americans to rat out their neighbors for expressing fishy thoughts?

Facts Are Stubborn Things | The White House

how bout the time he told voters who disagreed with him basically to shut up?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jifjRVLVjzA

no wonder the party in power took such an historic shellacking

embarrassed yet?
 
Kane said:
Brad was trying to save the lives of fellow soldiers and civillians by exposing the corruption involved in US foreign policy.

He is a hero.
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Redress said:
The GOP is courting me though. I get daily emails from them asking me to join.
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What a tool.
 
Crowley spoke out of turn, and did not express the administration's view on the matter. Crowley resigns as State Department spokesman – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

P.J. Crowley abruptly resigned Sunday as State Department spokesman over controversial comments he made about the Bradley Manning case.

Sources close to the matter said the resignation, first reported by CNN, came under pressure from the White House, where officials were furious about his suggestion that the Obama administration is mistreating Manning, the Army private who is being held in solitary confinement in Quantico, Virginia, under suspicion that he leaked highly classified State Department cables to the website WikiLeaks.... Nevertheless, Crowley's political fate was sealed Friday when Obama was asked at a White House news conference about his comments regarding Manning.

Obama revealed that he had asked Pentagon officials "whether or not the procedures that have been taken in terms of (Manning's) confinement are appropriate and are meeting our basic standards."

In a comment that drew howls of protest from liberals, Obama added that Pentagon officials "assure me that they are. I can't go into details about some of their concerns, but some of this has to do with Private Manning's safety as well."
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Note to Crowley: Before speaking for the Obama administration, you should probably find out what the Obama administration actually thinks about the topic in question before you, you know, open your freaking mouth.
 
Andalublue said:
PJ Crowley - Bradley Manning - BBC

Is the treatment of him reasonable? Clearly the White House doesn't believe so. Is it intended to be punitive, preventive or aimed at ensuring he is totally isolated from the outside world? Is it overkill given the absence of threat he now constitutes.
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Manning's treatment is ridiculous, he is now forced to sleep naked "as part of a 'prevention of injury watch.'" How is the man going to harm himself when an eye is kept on him 24/7? It makes no sense.
 
Kane said:
Most of the cables were not top secret clearance, so you think you're being a bit fascist?
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No. He released sensitive information to a group whose stated goal is harming the USA. That makes him a traitor, traitors deserve death.

It's quite simple.
 
MrVicchio said:
No. He released sensitive information to a group whose stated goal is harming the USA.
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All things fair.

Please show me where it is Assange's and his organization STATED GOAL that he wants to harm the US.

I don't seem to remember him saying that.
 
Jetboogieman said:
All things fair.

Please show me where it is Assange's and his organization STATED GOAL that he wants to harm the US.

I don't seem to remember him saying that.
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In 2006, Mr. Assange wrote a pair of essays, "State and Terrorist Conspiracies" and "Conspiracy as Governance." He sees the U.S. as an authoritarian conspiracy. "To radically shift regime behavior we must think clearly and boldly for if we have learned anything, it is that regimes do not want to be changed," he writes. "Conspiracies take information about the world in which they operate," he writes, and "pass it around the conspirators and then act on the result."

His central plan is that leaks will restrict the flow of information among officials—"conspirators" in his view—making government less effective. Or, as Mr. Assange puts it, "We can marginalize a conspiracy's ability to act by decreasing total conspiratorial power until it is no longer able to understand, and hence respond effectively to its environment. . . . An authoritarian conspiracy that cannot think efficiently cannot act to preserve itself."
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Crovitz: Julian Assange, Information Anarchist - WSJ.com

Sorry Jet, but the man's goals are to harm the USA because he doesn't LIKE the USA.
 
MrVicchio said:
Jet, I dislike Obama's approach, and since the info was OUT THERE...

Big difference.
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Well, for Assange the information was "just out there". In fact given to him.

So if the ends justify the means... then you and Assange aren't all that different after all.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Well, for Assange the information was "just out there". In fact given to him.

So if the ends justify the means... then you and Assange aren't all that different after all.
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No, nice try.

Assange actively SOUGHT people to send him secret data, so he could use it selectively to harm the US Government.

I used a news story about the information.

Nice try bro.
 
MrVicchio said:
No. He released sensitive information to a group whose stated goal is harming the USA. That makes him a traitor, traitors deserve death.

It's quite simple.
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It has not been proven that Manning released anything. He is suspected of doing so, but so far he has been charged with nothing.
 
MrVicchio said:
No, nice try.

Assange actively SOUGHT people to send him secret data, so he could use it selectively to harm the US Government.

I used a news story about the information.

Nice try bro.
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But again, you had no hesitation in using a news story to harm the US government, part of which is the Obama administration.

Why condemn wikileaks selectively? I mean surely it's all bad or it's all good...

And Wikileaks has not only targeted the US for information leaks...

In fact I would argue that its leaks on Chinese and North Korean relations had a positive impact on Pyongyangs behaviour. I haven't heard a peep from them since the artillery.

I'm yanking your chain a little bit here V. It's been nice to spar.

(Script is great)
 
Mr. Invisible said:
It has not been proven that Manning released anything. He is suspected of doing so, but so far he has been charged with nothing.
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Thus I said hold the trial, and hang him after it's over. That implies he be found guilty.
 
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