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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    Aleister Crowley? Sounds about right for them.

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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

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    Funny how "leftist" and "traitor" becomes more synonymous by the day.

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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    PJ Crowley - Bradley Manning - BBC

    Is the treatment of him reasonable? Clearly the White House doesn't believe so. Is it intended to be punitive, preventive or aimed at ensuring he is totally isolated from the outside world? Is it overkill given the absence of threat he now constitutes.

    He is a traitor and on suicide watch. The treatment he is receiving is not reasonable. he deserves the same thing the Rosenbergs got.
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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Funny how "leftist" and "traitor" becomes more synonymous by the day.
    Funny hows "conservative" and "over the top rhetoric" go together so much better every day.
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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    He is a traitor and on suicide watch. The treatment he is receiving is not reasonable. he deserves the same thing the Rosenbergs got.
    I'm sure some of you think he is a traitor, but I think that revealing information showing the American people that their government was lying to them could be argued to be the very opposite of treason. Treason is revealing the identity of your secret service agents and getting US agents in the field killed, but apparently your judiciary doesn't believe so.
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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I'm sure some of you think he is a traitor, but I think that revealing information showing the American people that their government was lying to them could be argued to be the very opposite of treason. Treason is revealing the identity of your secret service agents and getting US agents in the field killed, but apparently your judiciary doesn't believe so.
    There is a process for revealing potential issues such as this that include strong safeguards for the whistleblower. Manning did not use these methods. Further, at best a small portion of the released material involved such possible lies. By going the route he did, he brought the charges on himself.
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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    He is a traitor and on suicide watch. The treatment he is receiving is not reasonable. he deserves the same thing the Rosenbergs got.
    What I find interesting is that the people who are complaining about his treatment are the same ones who would complain if he came to harm by not taking these safeguards with him.
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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    MSNBC's Dylan Ratigan admitted that the left is scared to criticize Obama over Manning's treatment because it is a liberal black Democratic president. They even discussed the fact that he isn't criticized about Gitmo either. I think this is wonderful development.


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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    There is a process for revealing potential issues such as this that include strong safeguards for the whistleblower. Manning did not use these methods. Further, at best a small portion of the released material involved such possible lies. By going the route he did, he brought the charges on himself.
    Indeed. rather he released indiscriminately any and everything he could get his hands on including which foreign leaders and governments we didnt trust. he will be tried based on the military laws he is accused of violating. Eventually I assume he will be sentenced and people that are up in arms about him today will go back to not giving a damn about him tomorrow, just like they did yesterday.

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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshabar View Post
    MSNBC's Dylan Ratigan admitted that the left is scared to criticize Obama over Manning's treatment because it is a liberal black Democratic president. They even discussed the fact that he isn't criticized about Gitmo either. I think this is wonderful development.

    Well, that clip gives the lie to itself, doesn't it? Weren't those two liberal commentators openly and vociferously criticising a black, liberal president? The cartoon presenter (or was it a real right-winger, couldn't tell) said that telling the truth is "a gaffe". Well, probably only in right-wing circles.

    I think they were right to an extent, that some of those who should be holding him to account, aren't doing so. But clearly others are. I'm hearing a lot of opinions over here in Europe that are expressing disappointment that Obama is proving to be such an insipid president. He appears to have little grasp of foreign policy and diplomacy (mind you, more than his predecessor) and other than his health reforms, he doesn't appear to be stamping his mark on domestic US politics either. The Gitmo back-down is disgraceful and in this Manning issue he is being either disingenuous or willfully negligent. "Some of it has to do with his safety." Would that be the shackles he's wearing 24/7?
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