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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Jet, I dislike Obama's approach, and since the info was OUT THERE...

    Big difference.
    Well, for Assange the information was "just out there". In fact given to him.

    So if the ends justify the means... then you and Assange aren't all that different after all.

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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Well, for Assange the information was "just out there". In fact given to him.

    So if the ends justify the means... then you and Assange aren't all that different after all.
    No, nice try.

    Assange actively SOUGHT people to send him secret data, so he could use it selectively to harm the US Government.

    I used a news story about the information.

    Nice try bro.
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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    No. He released sensitive information to a group whose stated goal is harming the USA. That makes him a traitor, traitors deserve death.

    It's quite simple.
    It has not been proven that Manning released anything. He is suspected of doing so, but so far he has been charged with nothing.
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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    No, nice try.

    Assange actively SOUGHT people to send him secret data, so he could use it selectively to harm the US Government.

    I used a news story about the information.

    Nice try bro.
    But again, you had no hesitation in using a news story to harm the US government, part of which is the Obama administration.

    Why condemn wikileaks selectively? I mean surely it's all bad or it's all good...

    And Wikileaks has not only targeted the US for information leaks...

    In fact I would argue that its leaks on Chinese and North Korean relations had a positive impact on Pyongyangs behaviour. I haven't heard a peep from them since the artillery.

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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    It has not been proven that Manning released anything. He is suspected of doing so, but so far he has been charged with nothing.
    Thus I said hold the trial, and hang him after it's over. That implies he be found guilty.
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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    But again, you had no hesitation in using a news story to harm the US government, part of which is the Obama administration.

    Why condemn wikileaks selectively? I mean surely it's all bad or it's all good...

    And Wikileaks has not only targeted the US for information leaks...

    In fact I would argue that its leaks on Chinese and North Korean relations had a positive impact on Pyongyangs behaviour. I haven't heard a peep from them since the artillery.

    I'm yanking your chain a little bit here V. It's been nice to spar.

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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I know oyu are, if I thought you were being a troll twerp I'd of just ignored you
    I think Manning's actions are morally ambiguous, so it's hard to judge. On the one hand, some argue that his actions provided some transparency into the workings of the government when it comes to foreign policy, something that many people think the gov't should be held more accountable for (and transparency is one way to achieve that accountability). On the other hand, some argue that the info he released endangers the troops and damages our diplomatic relations. I don't think it's a black-and-white, either-or type of thing.

    I will say however that he knew what he was getting into when he signed a contract to enlist in the Army. His actions were clearly a crime of gross proportions, and he breached the contract he signed with his employer, and the oath he took to defend the country. I have no sympathy for his whining. He knew full well what he was doing and he should suffer the consequences.
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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    PJ Crowley - Bradley Manning - BBC

    Is the treatment of him reasonable? Clearly the White House doesn't believe so. Is it intended to be punitive, preventive or aimed at ensuring he is totally isolated from the outside world? Is it overkill given the absence of threat he now constitutes.
    Americans demonstrate their intellectual hypocrisy and spiritual bankruptcy each day they tolerate their government's treatment of Bradley Manning. It is a stain on our honor and a reminder that in this nation's legal system based on the presumption of innocence we are not fit caretakers of that great legacy.
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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    Liberals have found another reason to be angry with President Obama: the ouster of P.J. Crowley, the State Department spokesman who announced his resignation Sunday after criticizing the Pentagon for its treatment of the WikiLeaks case suspect Private Bradley Manning.

    Jane Hamsher, one of Obama’s consistent antagonists at the liberal blog FireDogLake, which probably most epitomizes former White House press secretary Robert Gibbs’s epithet “the professional left,” is leading the charge. She wrote Monday in support of a protest against Manning’s treatment and Crowley’s firing with a march from the State Department to the White House. “With his firing of Crowley, Obama makes a mockery of his own claim to be a constitutional scholar who supports transparency in government,” Hamsher wrote.

    “Other than Obama's tolerance for the same detainee abuse against which he campaigned and his ongoing subservience to the military that he supposedly ‘commands,’ ” wrote Salon’s Glenn Greenwald. “It is the way in which this Manning/Crowley behavior bolsters the regime of secrecy and the President's obsessive attempts to destroy whistle blowing that makes this episode so important and so telling.”

    Crowley’s firing has reinforced liberal distaste of an iteration of Obama’s “no-drama” philosophy, which some believe has resulted in the entrenchment of secrecy in the federal government. And they have long complained about his retreat from the strongest ideological positions he took in the 2008 campaign, particularly against Bush-era torture and the closing of Guantanamo Bay. “I think this is wrong,” wrote Ta-Nehisi Coates on his blog at the Atlantic. “And it's very hard for me to believe that, circa 2006, Senator Obama wouldn't say as much.”

    On Sunday, Andrew Sullivan declared that Obama “owns the treatment of Manning now.” “By firing PJ Crowley for the offense of protesting against the sadistic military treatment of Bradley Manning, the president has now put his personal weight behind prisoner abuse,” Sullivan wrote. “The man who once said that forced nudity was a form of torture, now takes the word of those enforcing it over a distinguished public servant.” Attendees at the MIT seminar on Thursday where Crowley called the military's treatment of Manning "ridiculous and counterproductive and stupid" have written a letter to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton expressing "severe disappointment" about the spokesman’s abrupt resignation.
    Left unites behind Crowley | POLITICO 44
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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    He's no threat to anyone for any reason, I don't see why they have to guantanamize him. He may leak in your face though and shatter whatever little nationalistic political reality you believe in. Which is probably a threat to national security.



    Someone needs to put a round of library books in your grape.
    Ah yes, treason is so cool, eh?

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