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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    That is based on the false assumption that people's opinions cannot be swayed. Many of those people who think the U.S. is evil also thought Obama was greatest thing since sliced bread. It would satisfy their desire just as much to see Obama "changing" the treatment of prisoners as the U.S. being evil. What harm is there is giving Bradley particularly nice treatment in return for good PR?
    You want "them" to like us. "They" are never going to like us. If we give "special treatment" to a treasonous worm like Bradley, then we are announcing to the world that what he did wasn't really bad, in fact it was really good and we want more people to do what he did so we can treat them special too.

    "They" don't enforce US law. We don't enforce "their" laws. Bradley is being treated exactly the same as every other suicidal and protected prisoner in that brig. Which is the only fair and right thing to do.

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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    I was surprised how quick the WH and other pols in DC were quick to meddle in the affairs of another sovereign nation.

    Since wikileaks we know that happens often. Democracy begins at home Mr. Prez., and you and your congress ain't been representing, yo!

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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kane View Post
    I was surprised how quick the WH and other pols in DC were quick to meddle in the affairs of another sovereign nation.

    Since wikileaks we know that happens often. Democracy begins at home Mr. Prez., and you and your congress ain't been representing, yo!
    What in the hell are you talking about? Manning is a US citizen, charged with a crime in the US..
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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    Well...if he managed to kill himself as he has threatened, or another prisoner killed him, how do you think the wingnuts would react? Any one dumb enough to think he is a political prisoner or being mistreated somehow is not some one who is going to going to be reasonable on the issue anyway.
    The flaw of that line of thinking is that reasonable people are limited in number and influence. Politicians and electorate alike are swayed by sloppy journalism. Foreign policy is primarily about satisfying unreasonable people. The key is not to sacrifice anything important in the process. Giving Manning nice treatment doesn't cost anything which is what makes this an opportunity.

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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    You want "them" to like us. "They" are never going to like us.
    That is foolish thinking. International perception of America has real impact on the nation as whole. There is a direct relationship between how people think we treat our prisoners and what happens to American prisoners abroad. There are of course times when international opinion is worth sacrificing, but it should not be ignored.

    If we give "special treatment" to a treasonous worm like Bradley, then we are announcing to the world that what he did wasn't really bad, in fact it was really good and we want more people to do what he did so we can treat them special too.
    He is still going to prison, so there is more than enough deterrence for future leakers. The point is not to announce we are giving him special treatment, but create the illusion that all prisoners are treated with such care.

    "They" don't enforce US law. We don't enforce "their" laws. Bradley is being treated exactly the same as every other suicidal and protected prisoner in that brig. Which is the only fair and right thing to do.
    The problem is that Bradley isn't like every other prisoner in the brig. He has a big spotlight being trained on him and everyone is watching.

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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The flaw of that line of thinking is that reasonable people are limited in number and influence. Politicians and electorate alike are swayed by sloppy journalism. Foreign policy is primarily about satisfying unreasonable people. The key is not to sacrifice anything important in the process. Giving Manning nice treatment doesn't cost anything which is what makes this an opportunity.
    How many countries are holding our treatment of Manning against us? Name a couple.
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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    It strikes me that the treatment of Manning is severe, possibly disproportionate, and verging on the cruel and unusual. I am minded of the contrast between the treatment of Manning, accused of passing information to Wikileaks but with no evidence that his behaviour has caused any harm to US interests, and the case of Scooter Libby and Karl Rove deliberately revealing the identity of an active, undercover CIA operative in an act of political revenge and which caused the deaths of several US agents. Which of the two is the greater treason?
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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    How do you think Manning should be treated? Put in with the general population and he wouldn't last a day, look at the vitriol on here, and think how it would manifest itself in a high-security prison, and that fact that he's a suicide risk only compounds it, given the situation, being shackled in solitary is probably the best outcome he could have.
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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    How do you think Manning should be treated? Put in with the general population and he wouldn't last a day, look at the vitriol on here, and think how it would manifest itself in a high-security prison, and that fact that he's a suicide risk only compounds it, given the situation, being shackled in solitary is probably the best outcome he could have.
    I've no doubt gen pop would be out of the question. What's the deal with shackles? I thought they were appropriate only in the case of violent criminals. Many people in prisons and psychiatric hospitals are placed on suicide watch without being shackled or placed in padded cells.

    What's more relevant than what I think about his treatment is that the White House believes that treatment is 'stupid'.
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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Reality isn't what matters in this case. I have no idea if Manning is actually being mistreated. The point is to avoid the appearance of abuse to score PR points. This is an opportunity to take back some moral high-ground lost with gitmo and Abu Ghraib. There is minimal cost and zero risk is giving manning special red-carpet treatment and it will give us more credibility than actually solving problems of prisoner abuse.
    No. The point is to treat this particular traitor exactly according to existing law and regulation pertaining to the matter, and to have the gonads to tell any and every other nation that expresses concern or condemns the US to **** off.

    This is American business, not theirs.

    This traitor is lucky he's getting fed.

    Also, his treatment ensures that he can't file any complaint that may result from any unwanted contact with other prisoners. After his trial sweet cheeks will be released to the general population of Leavenworth prison forever.

    He can trade notes with Aldrith Ames and John Walker.

    How many people do you figure have been killed because this traitor broke the law?

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