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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    You'd figure he'd get along with the rest of the 'traitors'...
    There is a large, unsubtle difference between being a criminal, and actively working against the interests of your country. I don't condone either, but I can see the difference, and you can believe those in the prison can as well.
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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    What you have is a guy who worked against his own country, being held in a military prison(which is where he belongs as military personnel), and people can't figure out why he is in solitary? Right or wrong, he would not survive 2 days in general population. Add in the suicide watch and, well, that pretty much explains things.
    Reality isn't what matters in this case. I have no idea if Manning is actually being mistreated. The point is to avoid the appearance of abuse to score PR points. This is an opportunity to take back some moral high-ground lost with gitmo and Abu Ghraib. There is minimal cost and zero risk is giving manning special red-carpet treatment and it will give us more credibility than actually solving problems of prisoner abuse.

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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Reality isn't what matters in this case. I have no idea if Manning is actually being mistreated. The point is to avoid the appearance of abuse to score PR points. This is an opportunity to take back some moral high-ground lost with gitmo and Abu Ghraib. There is minimal cost and zero risk is giving manning special red-carpet treatment and it will give us more credibility than actually solving problems of prisoner abuse.
    There is no moral ground being lost except to those who already assume it. There is zero evidence he is actually being mistreated.
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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    There is no moral ground being lost except to those who already assume it. There is zero evidence he is actually being mistreated.
    That doesn't matter. In the world of public opinion, since we have already abused prisoners on other occasions, the mere accusation is enough. While it might be distasteful to cater to fools, the costs are minimal and we need the boost to our image. We live in a world of advertising and television sound bytes and our foreign policy needs to reflect that.

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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    There is zero evidence he is actually being mistreated.
    It might be self evident because he's on suicide watch and a political prisoner imo.

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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    That doesn't matter. In the world of public opinion, since we have already abused prisoners on other occasions, the mere accusation is enough. While it might be distasteful to cater to fools, the costs are minimal and we need the boost to our image. We live in a world of advertising and television sound bytes and our foreign policy needs to reflect that.
    I don't think you understand. For those who assume the US is evil, or for those who see Manning and WikiLeaks as some kind of martyrs, they see what they expect to see here. For every one else, they see the truth, that under the circumstances he is clearly not being mistreated.
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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    It might be self evident because he's on suicide watch and a political prisoner imo.
    Political prisoner...LoLz!
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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    I don't think you understand. For those who assume the US is evil, or for those who see Manning and WikiLeaks as some kind of martyrs, they see what they expect to see here. For every one else, they see the truth, that under the circumstances he is clearly not being mistreated.
    That is based on the false assumption that people's opinions cannot be swayed. Many of those people who think the U.S. is evil also thought Obama was greatest thing since sliced bread. It would satisfy their desire just as much to see Obama "changing" the treatment of prisoners as the U.S. being evil. What harm is there is giving Bradley particularly nice treatment in return for good PR?

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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    He's hasn't been executed, so I don't think his treatment has risen to the level of, "reasonable". They need to come in, in the middle of the night, wake him up and put a couple rounds in his ****ing grape. That would be reasonable treatment for a traitor.
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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    That is based on the false assumption that people's opinions cannot be swayed. Many of those people who think the U.S. is evil also thought Obama was greatest thing since sliced bread. It would satisfy their desire just as much to see Obama "changing" the treatment of prisoners as the U.S. being evil. What harm is there is giving Bradley particularly nice treatment in return for good PR?
    Well...if he managed to kill himself as he has threatened, or another prisoner killed him, how do you think the wingnuts would react? Any one dumb enough to think he is a political prisoner or being mistreated somehow is not some one who is going to going to be reasonable on the issue anyway.
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