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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Well, when suspicions are turned into proof let's talk again.
    Yes, i know. Eurolefties must always give terrorists the benefits of any doubt. That's probably why the UK has become the center of Islamic extremism and is now exporting their terrorism elsewhere. Adios Europe.
    You did not have to be an active terrorist operative to get picked up and shipped out. Indeed it's clear they could have done with being a little more accurate in who they detained. Some detainees were merely enemy soldiers, some were complete innocents and some were kids of 14. I notice you have nothing to say about them.
    In fact you have little real knowledge about who was there, how dangerous they might be, what dangers 14-year-olds can create, and so on. If they are releasing people who later turn to terrorism then they were obviously wrong in their assessment, and I don't know how yours can be more accurate. Even Libya is still laughing at Europe giving up the Lockerbie bomber. This immense screw-up was also an exercise in Europeans exercising their 'independence' from American policy and evidence of their own block-headed miscalculations.
    Clearly, neither do you my Canuck friend, or are they giving friendly Canadians guided tours? I recommend this book, not to you obviously, but to anyone interested in a balanced view.
    Amazon.com: Five Years of My Life: An Innocent Man in Guantanamo (9780230603745): Murat Kurnaz: Books
    A balanced view from an innocent terrorist. Does he paint the Americans in an unfriendly light by any chance?

    Here you go again. Nothing could be further from the truth. I am far more critical of Bliar, Aznar, Howard and those willing sheep who colluded in the illegal activities we've been discussing. I'm critical of those other countries that assisted in the illegal rendition flights, especially the Arab states such as Morocco and Saudi Arabia, but what can you expect from dictatorships?
    Yes, i understand that American Allies in Europe are either poodles or sheep. That's why there is no shared commonality anymore. Maybe you can find it elsewhere.
    Your childish hot air ignores the fact that without European help Bush would never have been able to undertake his neo-con adventures. I'd like to think that my take on these matters was a majoritarian opinion over here, but despite your ignorant misinformation, European leaders are more than willing to shut up, if not actively support any and every US foreign policy mistake.
    It's not clear as to how much 'help' the Europeans actually were. Certainly it would seem it is in their own best interests to join other countries in the fight against terrorism but if they want to do it on their own, as seems the case, then I'd like to see them try. In any case it's clear from BHO and the Sec.of State that Europe isn't of much interest anymore. Your poodles and sheep will have to lead the way without anyone else available to them along. Good luck with that.

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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What are you talking about. Prisoners at Gitmo have it better than our own citizen prisoners do here....

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    And better than the Cuban people as well.

    If the Leftists support the Cuban life style then it seems they should also say a few kind words about the Gitmo lifestyle also. Unless they prefer that people live in poverty. Of course, judging them by their history, I wouldn't rule that out.

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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
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    PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'There's a decent gitmo discussion going on...but its not on topic for this thread. If you'd like to continue it please, feel free to start a new thread and continue. I'd hate to stifle the discussion. But this thread should try and stay on its actual topic please.
    Well to be fair Zyph, the liberal left media is trying to compare manning's treatment to Gitmo. Which is wrong, but none the less the two are linked now by the media, and what liberals think of Manning. Not to derail.


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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And better than the Cuban people as well.

    If the Leftists support the Cuban life style then it seems they should also say a few kind words about the Gitmo lifestyle also. Unless they prefer that people live in poverty. Of course, judging them by their history, I wouldn't rule that out.
    I'm a leftist so I must love Castro right? You're a rightist so you must love Joe McCarthy and Franco, am I right?
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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I'm a leftist so I must love Castro right? You're a rightist so you must love Joe McCarthy and Franco, am I right?
    No, Franco was just another European dictator, so beloved by many Europeans themselves.

    But 'Tail Gunner Joe' had no use for Communists and I can certainly identify with that.

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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Franco was just another European dictator,

    But 'Tail Gunner Joe' had no use for Communists and I can certainly identify with that.
    Yes, thought you'd like him. I'm pretty sure you'd have loved Franco had he been American. He and McCarthy had a lot in common.
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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Yes, thought you'd like him.
    You thought I'd like him? Never met the man. I only share his anti Communist views, as I'm sure you do too.

    I'm pretty sure you'd have loved Franco had he been American. He and McCarthy had a lot in common.
    Franco would never been a dictator in America. That only happens in the weaker areas of the world.

    McCarthy was neither a dictator nor European.

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    Re: PJ Crowley: Bradley Manning's treatment by US 'stupid'

    The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment.........we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations. Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War, in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match.

    Read more at the American Presidency Project: John F. Kennedy: Address "The President and the Press" Before the American Newspaper Publishers Association, New York City. John F. Kennedy: Address "The President and the Press" Before the American Newspaper Publishers Association, New York City.
    Correct me if I am wrong but didn't the Air Force state that any person in the US would become a criminal and could be charged with espionage for viewing the contents of the leaks? How many of us are also criminals then for merely seeking the truth and viewing the material?

    What is taking place IMO is he is being made an example of in order to prevent any further dissent, nothing more.

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