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    Re: Muslim 'radicalization' hearing a success, say Rep. Peter King, Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Nice straw man. In reality, there are plenty of reasons other people might disagree with me. Ignorance for one.
    So set me straight on your labeling of racists, bigots and xenophobes then.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Tea Party, Minutemen, Militia Movement, call it whatever you want. It's a substrate of populism and nativism that is surging in this country right now. I could try to keep the Tea Party identity straight from other brands of racist populism, but why bother?
    You haven't provided how they are relevant other than it's apparent you don't like them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    If that's what you want, then why not have a hearing on all terrorists, whether they are Muslim, Christian, agnostic, or any other religion? Why go about this task by singling out the Islam specifically and alienating the vast majority of peaceful Muslims while doing so? It is either bigotry(1) or idiocy.
    Because there's a disproportionate number of terrorists who claim they are muslim. I'll point you to the OTHER thread about this where I outline them:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-par...post1059342156

    When there's a disproportionate number of radical Bhuddists, Hari-Krishna's or Agnostics, you can be sure I'll be calling for hearings about them as well.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Muslim 'radicalization' hearing a success, say Rep. Peter King, Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    No, he is standing WITH the moderates against the radicals. They are being harmed by the radicalization of their young people too.
    You don't solve the problem of radicalization by attacking the radials themselves. Those are the young people you rightfully want to help. You have to look to the causes of radicalization. Poverty, inequality, overpopulation, oppression, these are the things that lead to radicalization. Any hearing that was truly addressing radicalization would look at those factors, not the "infiltration of America mosques" and that sort of racist claptrap. That is why these hearings ring so false, and smack of racism.

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    Re: Muslim 'radicalization' hearing a success, say Rep. Peter King, Republicans

    The Senate has held hearings on the KKK, on the White Supremacist Movement, on Hawaiian Natives, on Latino gang activity. Why are Muslims sacred cows? Why is it the name that must not be spoken? Why so sensitive?

    It's a deflection. CAIR is going down. Get over it.

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    Re: Muslim 'radicalization' hearing a success, say Rep. Peter King, Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    You don't attack radicalization by attacking the radials themselves. Those are the young people you rightfully want to help. You have to look to the causes of radicalization. Poverty, inequality, overpopulation, oppression, these are the things that lead to radicalization. Any hearing that was truly addressing radicalization would look at those factors, not the "infiltration of America mosques" and that sort of racist claptrap. That is why these hearings ring so false, and smack of racism.
    Again I can agree to some extent with what Guy is saying, though not completely. If radical Islam were all powerful they would be able to brainwash anyone with their ideology. As it turns out, some people are susceptible to their message while others are not. Tackling the religious issue itself is only getting to the surface of the issue, not the root cause. I don't think that inequality overpopulation oppression and those things really explain what is going on, but we have to get at the psychological and social roots about why these kids are becoming radicalized, because not just anyone becomes radicalized, I believe something has to have happened to that individual first (some past experience, their world view, outlook on life, etc.) for them to be actually susceptible to being radicalized.

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    Re: Muslim 'radicalization' hearing a success, say Rep. Peter King, Republicans

    interesting article which opines that this hearing was something other than a "success"

    The 6 dumbest things said at Rep. Peter King’s Muslim radicalization hearing | The Raw Story

    1) Neo-Nazis don't commit terrorist acts
    2) Probing U.S. Muslims is just like probing Nazi war criminals, KKK
    3) 'We've surrendered the constitution to the jihadists'
    4) 'Most' Muslims just don't understand the Koran!
    5) America couldn't possibly ally with Muslim countries
    6) Obama isn't 'singling out' Muslims enough

    no surprise that a hearing by a congressman who openly supported (IRA) terrorism is full of stupid statements
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Muslim 'radicalization' hearing a success, say Rep. Peter King, Republicans

    You don't attack radicalization by attacking the radials themselves. Those are the young people you rightfully want to help. You have to look to the causes of radicalization. Poverty, inequality, overpopulation, oppression, these are the things that lead to radicalization. Any hearing that was truly addressing radicalization would look at those factors, not the "infiltration of America mosques" and that sort of racist claptrap. That is why these hearings ring so false, and smack of racism.
    If you would listen to the testimony you would find that part of the tragedy is that the young men who were radicalized were promising young men, radicalized in a mosque and at university. When the Bihi boy went to Somalia for training his father was advised by the mosque authorities not to contact the FBI. They advised and threatened other parents as well. Go listen, it's enlightening.

    Maybe we should send money to the poor disenfranchised Muslim youth to help them feel better? Oh wait, the Saudi royals already do that.




    Levey said the Saudi government has not moved to publicly hold accountable those within the kingdom who have been the subject of enforcement actions by the U.S. and other authorities.

    Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) said the Saudi failures mean that Americans who pay more than $100 a barrel for oil are in effect bankrolling extremism because wealthy Saudis "back-door" their profits into charities that fund extremist causes.
    http://articles.latimes.com/2008/apr...n/na-terror2/2
    Last edited by Marshabar; 03-11-11 at 03:25 PM.

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    Re: Muslim 'radicalization' hearing a success, say Rep. Peter King, Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    interesting article which opines that this hearing was something other than a "success"

    The 6 dumbest things said at Rep. Peter King’s Muslim radicalization hearing | The Raw Story

    1) Neo-Nazis don't commit terrorist acts
    2) Probing U.S. Muslims is just like probing Nazi war criminals, KKK
    3) 'We've surrendered the constitution to the jihadists'
    4) 'Most' Muslims just don't understand the Koran!
    5) America couldn't possibly ally with Muslim countries
    6) Obama isn't 'singling out' Muslims enough

    no surprise that a hearing by a congressman who openly supported (IRA) terrorism is full of stupid statements
    Did those people actually SAY those things? If so then those are extremely stupid. If those quotes are taken out of context, then there's something wrong with your source.

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    Re: Muslim 'radicalization' hearing a success, say Rep. Peter King, Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Did those people actually SAY those things? If so then those are extremely stupid. If those quotes are taken out of context, then there's something wrong with your source.
    read it for yourself and answer your own questions
    please
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Muslim 'radicalization' hearing a success, say Rep. Peter King, Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    read it for yourself and answer your own questions
    please
    Alright I admit those were some pretty dumb things to say. Pretty sad.

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    Re: Muslim 'radicalization' hearing a success, say Rep. Peter King, Republicans

    I didn't hear those things. Why not go find proof?

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