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    Re: Muslim 'radicalization' hearing a success, say Rep. Peter King, Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Oh how little you know...

    You only know what the media tells you. Not the reality.

    As my best friends mother who was a Koran Scholar said "This Bin Laden, he is bull****!".
    Actually we know many Muslims feel the same way but instead of saying it privately to you they should be saying it publicly. If they are afraid. or at all reluctant to say anything publicly about problems in Islam, how can the public know how deeply the problem persists?

    There are some brave Muslims who are publicly speaking out, most of them women it seems, but they often live under the threat of death. All the problems and attitudes in the Muslim community should be made public, which is why these hearings are a good thing. The last thing we need is to pretend there isn't a problem and hide it away hoping it will magically disappear. That's just more denial.

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    Re: Muslim 'radicalization' hearing a success, say Rep. Peter King, Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Actually we know many Muslims feel the same way but instead of saying it privately to you they should be saying it publicly. If they are afraid. or at all reluctant to say anything publicly about problems in Islam, how can the public know how deeply the problem persists?

    There are some brave Muslims who are publicly speaking out, most of them women it seems, but they often live under the threat of death. All the problems and attitudes in the Muslim community should be made public, which is why these hearings are a good thing. The last thing we need is to pretend there isn't a problem and hide it away hoping it will magically disappear. That's just more denial.
    It's not the responsibility of Muslims to speak out publicly just like it was never the responsibility of Christians to speak about the KKK, just like it isn't the responsibility of whites to speak about the Aryan Brotherhood. It's the responsibility of the public to use common sense and not attach the actions of radicals to an entire population. I was able to do that without any Muslim confirming publicly that they weren't a terrorist. Any time you make sweeping generalizations about a population, it's an alarm that you don't know enough about them.

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    Re: Muslim 'radicalization' hearing a success, say Rep. Peter King, Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If more non-radical Muslims took an active interest in exposing radical Muslims, then none of this would be neccessary.

    Let's face it, the folks that are going to spot radical Muslims first, are other Muslims. Obviously, radicalization within the Muslim community is a problem. Just as obviously, non-radical Muslims aren't stepping up to deal with it.
    Muslim communities in the West speak out all the time in public, whenever there was another incident caused by radical Muslims. At least I often see that in Germany, I assume it's the same in America. When there was a terrorist attack, within the day most Muslim communities are issuing public statements of condemnation.

    The problem is, people don't listen. They don't want to hear it. When I presented according links on this forum, there were even some islamophobic people claiming "they are lying".
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    Re: Muslim 'radicalization' hearing a success, say Rep. Peter King, Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Muslim communities in the West speak out all the time in public, whenever there was another incident caused by radical Muslims. At least I often see that in Germany, I assume it's the same in America. When there was a terrorist attack, within the day most Muslim communities are issuing public statements of condemnation.

    The problem is, people don't listen. They don't want to hear it. When I presented according links on this forum, there were even some islamophobic people claiming "they are lying".
    Condemnation is fine, but the next logical step is action of some sort. What actions do the Muslim communities take as a result of attacks and are those actions public?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Muslim 'radicalization' hearing a success, say Rep. Peter King, Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Condemnation is fine, but the next logical step is action of some sort. What actions do the Muslim communities take as a result of attacks and are those actions public?
    Actions?

    Tell me what actions are they supposed to take?

    Tell me, what actions did Christians take against Warren Jeffs hmm?

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    Where were the marches against such things by Christians.

    Why do I always have to hear from people like you "where are ths muslims marching against terrorism".

    Where are the Christians marching against terrorism? Where are the Jews marching against Terrorism?

    What must they do? Go into every muslims household and ask "Dear fellow muslim, we think your son might be a terrorist, if he is, we're here to um... condemn him?".

    It makes no sense.

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    Re: Muslim 'radicalization' hearing a success, say Rep. Peter King, Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    What must they do? Go into every muslims household and ask "Dear fellow muslim, we think your son might be a terrorist, if he is, we're here to um... condemn him?".

    It makes no sense.
    That's because they are racists. Their hatred of Muslims is irrational, so the demands they have can never be fulfilled.

    Why bother trying to reason with these people?

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    Re: Muslim 'radicalization' hearing a success, say Rep. Peter King, Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Actions?

    Tell me what actions are they supposed to take?
    It could be outreach, it could be a summit of discussion within the Muslim community only, with both Sunni and Shia. It could be a committment to not identify with radicals and to advise those who exhibit violent behaviors. You know, small things from that Imams and mosques have the ability to control and take action upon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Tell me, what actions did Christians take against Warren Jeffs hmm?
    They should take the same actions, if they did not.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Where were the marches against such things by Christians.
    I have no idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Why do I always have to hear from people like you "where are ths muslims marching against terrorism".
    I'm not calling for marches, I'm calling for reasonable actions taken within the Muslim community, and I'm asking of any actions like these were taken and if they were public.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Where are the Christians marching against terrorism? Where are the Jews marching against Terrorism?
    Where are the suicide bombing Methodists? Or those evil Lutheren's who always get caught making pipe bombs and IEDs. Oh that's right... Why is it that I always hear from people like you who stick their heads in the sand and ignore the facts? I'm not asking for anything unreasonable, or is discussing such moderate actions unreasonable to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    What must they do? Go into every muslims household and ask "Dear fellow muslim, we think your son might be a terrorist, if he is, we're here to um... condemn him?".
    Already answered.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    It makes no sense.
    Sure it does, when you put your ideology aside and discuss things calmly and ask for reasonable action. When you're ready to do that, let me know.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Muslim 'radicalization' hearing a success, say Rep. Peter King, Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    That's because they are racists
    They are not racist.

    I don't think Oakham is a racist, I just think he doesn't understand.

    To call someone a racist is far too easy.

    There are people on this board who were racist against muslims, and there names need not be mentioned here, but Oakham is not one of them.

    Fundamentally, the flaw people are making is finding causation in Islam, where there is none, Islam is used as a tool by AL Queada, but ultimately, their goals have, and always shall be political.

    They do not do what they do BECAUSE they are muslim.

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    Re: Muslim 'radicalization' hearing a success, say Rep. Peter King, Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I'm not calling for marches, I'm calling for reasonable actions taken within the Muslim community, and I'm asking of any actions like these were taken and if they were public.
    Describe for me please "reasonable Actions".

    And why is it their problem that some assholes twist their religion.

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    Re: Muslim 'radicalization' hearing a success, say Rep. Peter King, Republicans

    Anyone who is afraid of more information and disclosure has either an agenda or something to hide beyond that. I will agree that this could possibly turn into a witch-hunt, which normally would be a bad thing. However, if the country is overrun with witches, it would be the solution.

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