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    Re: Muslim 'radicalization' hearing a success, say Rep. Peter King, Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    1) Perhaps you're not aware what a gaping hypocrite Peter King is. He vocally supported the IRA.

    2) Perhaps if Peter King and other fringe-righties like yourself were ever harassed by a paranoid overzealous peace officer -- cavity searched by a dimwitted Barney Fife, you would see how damaging blatant fear-mongering is.

    3) Your belief that people are actually captured and tortured in the U.S. shows how far removed from reality you are.


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    Re: Muslim 'radicalization' hearing a success, say Rep. Peter King, Republicans

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    Any Muslim's opinion of the United States is irrelevant. I am so tired of everyone tiptoeing around these kooks.
    Is there a dislike button?

    So because religious extremists did something terrible, all people of a similar religion to them are "kooks"?

    This is an incredibly moronic and closed-minded argument.

    I guess because of the crusades, inquisition, and various extremist organizations (WBC the most recent example) all Christians are religious kooks as well? What about Shintos, they bombed pearl harbor, that religion is obviously entirely populated by nut-jobs, right?

    This sort of viewpoint is the reason that organizations like Al Qaeda exist.
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    Re: Muslim 'radicalization' hearing a success, say Rep. Peter King, Republicans

    The bastard who basically publicly supported terrorism against the British has the cheek to turn on Muslims when it is Americans on the other end?

    **** him.

    Feel nothing but sympathy for American Muslims. How much more marginalization will they get? If they reach the height of how the French do it. I'll be reluctantly impressed.
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    Re: Muslim 'radicalization' hearing a success, say Rep. Peter King, Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    But then, there is much evidence suggesting radical attitudes are indeed more common among Muslims, than they are among Christians. Still I don't believe discriminating Muslims in general is helpful when it comes to addressing and solving the problems with radicals that actually exist. Also, radicals among Muslims are bad enough, and indiscriminate condemnation of Muslims is another, similar type of radicalism that's just as bad. It's bad enough when there are radical Muslim suicide bombers, we don't need to add radical islamophobes setting mosques on fire.
    That's just it, those claiming such hearings are islamaphobe discrimination are not acknowledging that evidence and there is NO way to prevent radicals from existing. Such hearings do not increase the level of radicals nor does it reduce the levels but to ignore such hearings and to get Muslims to discuss such radicalization and get their views on it seems prudent. If there is enough of that same evidence that shows other religions or groups also being radicalized, hearings should be held on them too if nothing else, for completeness. Too many are using these hearings as a political football with massive appeals to emotion instead of dealing with the facts.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Muslim 'radicalization' hearing a success, say Rep. Peter King, Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    The bastard who basically publicly supported terrorism against the British has the cheek to turn on Muslims when it is Americans on the other end?

    **** him.

    Feel nothing but sympathy for American Muslims. How much more marginalization will they get? If they reach the height of how the French do it. I'll be reluctantly impressed.
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    Re: Muslim 'radicalization' hearing a success, say Rep. Peter King, Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    That's just it, those claiming such hearings are islamaphobe discrimination are not acknowledging that evidence and there is NO way to prevent radicals from existing. Such hearings do not increase the level of radicals nor does it reduce the levels but to ignore such hearings and to get Muslims to discuss such radicalization and get their views on it seems prudent. If there is enough of that same evidence that shows other religions or groups also being radicalized, hearings should be held on them too if nothing else, for completeness. Too many are using these hearings as a political football with massive appeals to emotion instead of dealing with the facts.
    I have not followed this hearing well enough to know if that's the case, but while you are probably right it doesn't increase or decrease the number of radicals, the problem some apparently have with it is their sorrow it might fuel the sentiments of those who indiscriminately blame Muslims in general, and thus will result in more discrimination and ostracism of Muslims, including those who aren't radical.

    Personally, I believe we should be aware of our responsibility in these regards when we debate the problem. We should be careful to avoid broad-brush generalizations and make sure we don't fuel sentiments that will result in the discrimination of non-radical Muslims. No idea if this hearing was executed in a sufficiently responsible manner.
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    Re: Muslim 'radicalization' hearing a success, say Rep. Peter King, Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBook View Post
    Is there a dislike button?

    So because religious extremists did something terrible, all people of a similar religion to them are "kooks"?

    This is an incredibly moronic and closed-minded argument.

    I guess because of the crusades, inquisition, and various extremist organizations (WBC the most recent example) all Christians are religious kooks as well? What about Shintos, they bombed pearl harbor, that religion is obviously entirely populated by nut-jobs, right?

    This sort of viewpoint is the reason that organizations like Al Qaeda exist.
    Thanks for your opinion. You are entitled to yours, as am I. While I am sure your opinion is highly relevant to you, your opinion is irrelevant to me. I do not sanction any religion. My point was of all organized religions Muslims are the kookiest. I would call myself an atheist, but all that means in the U.S. currently is anti-Christian.

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    Re: Muslim 'radicalization' hearing a success, say Rep. Peter King, Republicans

    If more non-radical Muslims took an active interest in exposing radical Muslims, then none of this would be neccessary.

    Let's face it, the folks that are going to spot radical Muslims first, are other Muslims. Obviously, radicalization within the Muslim community is a problem. Just as obviously, non-radical Muslims aren't stepping up to deal with it.

    Any so-called non-radical Muslim that is offended, or becomes radicalized because of these hearings, or some kind of discrimination probably agreed more with the radicals, than not, to begin with.

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    Re: Muslim 'radicalization' hearing a success, say Rep. Peter King, Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If more non-radical Muslims took an active interest in exposing radical Muslims, then none of this would be neccessary.

    Let's face it, the folks that are going to spot radical Muslims first, are other Muslims. Obviously, radicalization within the Muslim community is a problem. Just as obviously, non-radical Muslims aren't stepping up to deal with it.

    Any so-called non-radical Muslim that is offended, or becomes radicalized because of these hearings, or some kind of discrimination probably agreed more with the radicals, than not, to begin with.
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    Re: Muslim 'radicalization' hearing a success, say Rep. Peter King, Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If more non-radical Muslims took an active interest in exposing radical Muslims, then none of this would be neccessary.
    Agreed wholeheartedly, but what's missing is something to bring Mulsim communities together - one Imam at one mosque may guide his congregration to condemn such things, the mosque next door ignores it, and the other one up town may claim westerners are a pox. There's no cohesiveness ...
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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