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    Re: France formally recognises Libyan rebels' authority

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    Looks like Cameron is dragging us along too --
    What do Cameron and Sarkozy have in common? Foreign Secretaries whose clumsy and belated reactions have brought down political ratings..

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    No technology is as good as actually first hand human intel. With Bin Laden that is near impossible to get, Saddam had lost and was on the run.. Gaddafi is still trying to keep his country and needs to be out in the open to rally the troops. That is a huge difference.
    haha, you think Gaddafi is more easy to spot or get at than Hussein?

    Quote Originally Posted by paris View Post
    The UK and France should be very careful with this. Remember the Suez crisis?
    Yeah, we watch Washington in case they try and stab us in the back again.... however this time Washington is in as much deep financial crisis and can't threaten to sink the pound or the Euro. Only China now has the financial muscle to do this.

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    Re: France formally recognises Libyan rebels' authority

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Obama could take a lesson here.
    Pretty gutsy for France. I wonder how much oil they get from Libya, you think maybe there's some pressure there? Of course Obama's senior adviser on this thinks Khadaffi will win, and Hillary says we need to stay out of it unless Europe wants to take some action.
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    Re: France formally recognises Libyan rebels' authority

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Obama could take a lesson here.
    well this is quite a turn of events from a few years back. Now France has more balls than we do, and are teaching us lessons in the importance of supporting democracy in the middle east.

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    Re: France formally recognises Libyan rebels' authority

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    well this is quite a turn of events from a few years back. Now France has more balls than we do, and are teaching us lessons in the importance of supporting democracy in the middle east.
    How exactly does this support democracy? This isn't Tunisia or Egypt where there were peaceful protesters demanding democracy from a bumbling autocrat, it's an armed rebellion in a petrostate against an extremely brutal dictator. Who knows what kind of government would emerge if the rebels prevail? Granted, it almost certainly couldn't be any worse than Gaddafi's, but let's not pretend that we're "supporting democracy" if we help them. At best, we'd be supporting a government more inclined to do our bidding, which may or may not happen to become a democracy. We've been down that road before. We supported Georgia in its conflict with Russia, and we supported Kosovo in its conflict with Serbia...under the guise of supporting democracy. Today, the countries that we supported have governments every bit as bad as the ones we opposed.

    As for diplomatic recognition of the rebels at this point in time...I see a lot of downside and very little upside. Especially when they don't control the capital. If we recognize the rebels and Gadaffi crushes them tomorrow (which is hardly an unthinkable possibility) it will damage our credibility. And if the rebels prevail, what will we have gained by recognizing them a few days sooner?
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    Re: France formally recognises Libyan rebels' authority

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    well this is quite a turn of events from a few years back. Now France has more balls than we do, and are teaching us lessons in the importance of supporting democracy in the middle east.
    yep. france showing real balls [/sarcasm]
    they have recognized the government of ________ [please fill in the blank]
    and please explain how __________ [fill in the blank] is found democratic
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    Re: France formally recognises Libyan rebels' authority

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    How exactly does this support democracy? This isn't Tunisia or Egypt where there were peaceful protesters demanding democracy from a bumbling autocrat, it's an armed rebellion in a petrostate against an extremely brutal dictator. Who knows what kind of government would emerge if the rebels prevail? Granted, it almost certainly couldn't be any worse than Gaddafi's, but let's not pretend that we're "supporting democracy" if we help them. At best, we'd be supporting a government more inclined to do our bidding, which may or may not happen to become a democracy. We've been down that road before. We supported Georgia in its conflict with Russia, and we supported Kosovo in its conflict with Serbia...under the guise of supporting democracy. Today, the countries that we supported have governments every bit as bad as the ones we opposed.

    As for diplomatic recognition of the rebels at this point in time...I see a lot of downside and very little upside. Especially when they don't control the capital. If we recognize the rebels and Gadaffi crushes them tomorrow (which is hardly an unthinkable possibility) it will damage our credibility. And if the rebels prevail, what will we have gained by recognizing them a few days sooner?
    If I remember correctly, a few guns were fired off during the American Revolution.
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    Re: France formally recognises Libyan rebels' authority

    With what we are doing with Libya .. I think we better be hoping that Gaddafi and his forces win out in this, if not we are just going to be looked upon with total disdain

    Sitting on the sideline, might well be the intelligent thing to do, but is it the right thing? Sitting on the sideline, is simply saying I really don't give a f**k what happens, and if you don't give a f**k then you might as well just keep your mouth shut, and admit, that in this game, you are nothing more then a fan, and whoever wins is just fine with you.

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    Re: France formally recognises Libyan rebels' authority

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    With what we are doing with Libya ..
    share with us exactly what that consists of

    I think we better be hoping that Gaddafi and his forces win out in this, if not we are just going to be looked upon with total disdain
    please tell us how gaddafi losing this war would cause the USA to be looked on with disdain
    and by whom

    Sitting on the sideline, might well be the intelligent thing to do, but is it the right thing? Sitting on the sideline, is simply saying I really don't give a f**k what happens, and if you don't give a f**k then you might as well just keep your mouth shut, and admit, that in this game, you are nothing more then a fan, and whoever wins is just fine with you.
    then tell us exactly what should be done by our government concerning the libyan siituation


    also, please do not stop posting. in fact ramp up your posts. they are so helpful
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    Re: France formally recognises Libyan rebels' authority

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I dunno, dude. We still don't know who these clowns are. I can appreciate the oppurtunity to get some payback for Flight 103, but we can't go off half-cocked supporting the next goofbal, anti-American, Islamofacist dictatorship of Libya.

    Side note: is it Lib-ya, or Libby-uh?


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    Re: France formally recognises Libyan rebels' authority

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Obama could take a lesson here.
    I think Obama is tying to play it safe just in case Gaddafi wins.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 03-11-11 at 11:48 AM.
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