• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights withou

Status
Not open for further replies.
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

MaggieD said:
If Walker's law stands, the proof will be in the pudding as Wisconsin teachers will no longer have their union dues withheld and will have to write the checks themselves. I believe that they will no longer even have to belong. Is it any wonder the unions have pulled out alllll the stops on this issue? They are running scared.
Click to expand...

Exactly!! We shall see how loyal workers are to the unions when they actually have to write that check. Deducations have a way of being ignored but not checks written.
 
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

Conservative said:
Not at all, there are some good people in the unions, many of them conservatives but unfortunately there aren't enough to make those thugs civil as you saw in Wisconsin. Many good teachers didn't walk out and go to Madison and in fact many actually vote conservative. Too bad this group cannot influence their leadership. Mandatory unions hurt a lot of good people.
Click to expand...

Well, I think mandatory unions are completely immoral. I don't know what voting conservative has to do with being a good person, but :shrug:
 
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

Conservative said:
That attitude comes from years of experience and actually working with unions. I have absolutely no use for the thugs that run the union and take advantage of some very good people.
Click to expand...
Of course we know unions came into being because the industrialists treated the workers fairly, gave them great benefits, but the unions simply wanted more, Right?
 
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

Conservative said:
Not at all, there are some good people in the unions, many of them conservatives but unfortunately there aren't enough to make those thugs civil as you saw in Wisconsin. Many good teachers didn't walk out and go to Madison and in fact many actually vote conservative. Too bad this group cannot influence their leadership. Mandatory unions hurt a lot of good people.
Click to expand...
What "thugs" did you see in Wisconsin???
 
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

iamitter said:
Well, I think mandatory unions are completely immoral. I don't know what voting conservative has to do with being a good person, but :shrug:
Click to expand...

Neither do I but believe me the thugs that attacked me and my family would do the same thing with another union member that wasn't supporting a union action. The intimidation factor alone is enough to scare people into doing whatever their leadership wants.
 
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

pbrauer said:
What "thugs" did you see in Wisconsin???
Click to expand...

They don't report the news in the Peoples Republic of Oregon?
 
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

donc said:
Meanwhile back in Wisconsin.:2wave:


<Salary boosted for worker with ties to Hopper
A state worker with ties to Sen. Randy Hopper is being paid $11,000 more annually than her predecessor in a position at the department of regulation and licensing.

State officials said the woman, 26, was hired to a limited term, communications specialist position last month, with a salary equivalent to $42, 328 annually.

State officials Friday said the woman’s predecessor left the position in January, with a salary equivalent to $31,200 annually. No explanation was given for the new hire’s higher pay.

Sources told WKOW27 News the state employee was the same person referred to by Hopper’s estranged wife when she publicly stated her husband started an affair in Madison. Hopper (R-Fond du Lac) and his estranged wife are in the midst of a divorce action.

During an interview with WKOW27 News, Hopper declined to comment on his relationship with the woman.

But Hopper told WKOW27 News he played no role in the woman’s hiring.

WKOW27 News is not identifying the state employee at this time because her hiring or employment is not the subject of a formal inquiry or complaint, and she is not named in civil actions.

The woman has yet return any phone calls from WKOW27 News seeking comment. >

Guess which political party Sen. Randy Hopper belongs to ?:roll:
Click to expand...

Let's see, I bet Faux News reports him with a (D) by his name! LOL!
 
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

pbrauer said:
What "thugs" did you see in Wisconsin???
Click to expand...

Wisconsin Union Anti-Walker Protest: Stunning Account of Violent Mob Rule at Ironic Surrealism v3.0
Last night one Senator told me they had been told to clear the Capitol because the new groups coming in overnight are filled with with people “who aren’t afraid to be arrested” and the Administration could not guarantee the safety of the legislators and their staffs. In our Capitol.

On Thursday, legislators were advised to return to their offices and lock their doors. Mobs roamed the halls, banging on the glass of the doors, pounding on the walls. No one could move in the halls or enter or leave the building. The glass of the Supreme Court’s entrance was broken. Legislators were genuinely afraid. Our elected representatives were afraid. In our Capitol.

A young female reporter trying to get into the Senate chamber struggled to get through the crowd. She arrived disheveled and upset because she had been roughed up as she tried to get through “Bitch-slapped” the mob told her. A senior senator was spat on. A senator and his female staffer struggled to get into the capitol. He was worried about his staffer because the crowd was grabbing at her and pushing her. University Police were two arms lengths away and did nothing. They, of course, are union.
Click to expand...
thugs.

[video]http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?v=hdqG6UZu6U[/video]
Note the Hitler references, the crosshairs over Gov. Walker, etc.
Thugs.

Dismiss away PB... it's all you have.
 
Last edited:
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

Whovian said:
Wisconsin Union Anti-Walker Protest: Stunning Account of Violent Mob Rule at Ironic Surrealism v3.0

thugs.

[video]http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?v=hdqG6UZu6U[/video]
Note the Hitler references, the crosshairs over Gov. Walker, etc.
Thugs.

Dismiss away PB... it's all you have.
Click to expand...

You are seeing why it is a waste of time to provide PB with evidence on any issue, he simply ignores anything that refutes his own personal opinions.
 
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

Conservative said:
Typical non answer from you, what policies did Obama implement that brought us out of the sewer? Grow up
Click to expand...

Gee, I didn't think I would have to remind you, since you keep insisting that it didn't work - so I guess all the economists that say it did are wrong - because you couldn't be wrong! ;)

You need to take the approach of Nigel Gault instead of holding on to your opinion which has been proven to be wrong over and over!

It appears you are the one that needs to grow up!

“It was worth doing — it’s made a difference,” said Nigel Gault, chief economist at IHS Global Insight, a financial forecasting and analysis group based in Lexington, Mass.
Mr. Gault added: “I don’t think it’s right to look at it by saying, ‘Well, the economy is still doing extremely badly, therefore the stimulus didn’t work.’ I’m afraid the answer is, yes, we did badly but we would have done even worse without the stimulus.”

Private Forecasters Support Claim That Stimulus Worked



In a new paper, the economists argue that without the Wall Street bailout, the bank stress tests, the emergency lending and asset purchases by the Federal Reserve, and the Obama administration’s fiscal stimulus program, the nation’s gross domestic product would be about 6.5 percent lower this year.In addition, there would be about 8.5 million fewer jobs, on top of the more than 8 million already lost; and the economy would be experiencing deflation, instead of low inflation...
Stimulus: The depression that might have been | The Economist



And here are some success stories from different states:

The Recovery Act: Success Stories in the States
 
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

haymarket said:
Reading your comment about the stupidity of people and looking at the photo to the left of it certainly causes one to pause.
Click to expand...


It couldn't been said any better!:lol:
 
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

mertex said:
Gee, I didn't think I would have to remind you, since you keep insisting that it didn't work - so I guess all the economists that say it did are wrong - because you couldn't be wrong! ;)

You need to take the approach of Nigel Gault instead of holding on to your opinion which has been proven to be wrong over and over!

It appears you are the one that needs to grow up!

“It was worth doing — it’s made a difference,” said Nigel Gault, chief economist at IHS Global Insight, a financial forecasting and analysis group based in Lexington, Mass.
Mr. Gault added: “I don’t think it’s right to look at it by saying, ‘Well, the economy is still doing extremely badly, therefore the stimulus didn’t work.’ I’m afraid the answer is, yes, we did badly but we would have done even worse without the stimulus.”

Private Forecasters Support Claim That Stimulus Worked



In a new paper, the economists argue that without the Wall Street bailout, the bank stress tests, the emergency lending and asset purchases by the Federal Reserve, and the Obama administration’s fiscal stimulus program, the nation’s gross domestic product would be about 6.5 percent lower this year.In addition, there would be about 8.5 million fewer jobs, on top of the more than 8 million already lost; and the economy would be experiencing deflation, instead of low inflation...
Stimulus: The depression that might have been | The Economist



And here are some success stories from different states:

The Recovery Act: Success Stories in the States
Click to expand...

Got to love your definition of success, 15 million unemployed Americans and more debt added in three years than Bush did in 8. Some are just like you, in denial of actual results.

Your evidence is blog posts that claim things could have been worse thus the definition of success? Over a trillion dollars thrown at the problem and these are the results. No wonder liberals have zero credibility.
 
Last edited:
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

Whovian said:
Wisconsin Union Anti-Walker Protest: Stunning Account of Violent Mob Rule at Ironic Surrealism v3.0

thugs.

[video]http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?v=hdqG6UZu6U[/video]
Note the Hitler references, the crosshairs over Gov. Walker, etc.
Thugs.

Dismiss away PB... it's all you have.
Click to expand...
Thanks for the laugh Whovian, if you call this thugery then so the Tea Party are thugs as well. Signs?:lamo:lamo:rofl:screwy
 
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

Conservative said:
Also, in Wisconsin, the union dues are payroll deductions, not paid for by the employee. Payment of those dues comes from the taxpayer to the department to the unions.
Click to expand...

You are so wrong, as it has been pointed out over and over - but as usual, you keep repeating your rhetoric as if it were true. Quit posting untruths - the taxpayers are not paying for it. You need to educate yourself on it.

Let us begin with this simple, indisputable truth: public employees' unions don't get a single red cent from taxpayers. And they aren't a mechanism to “force” working people to support Democrats – that's completely illegal.

Public sector workers are employed by the government, but they are private citizens. Once a private citizen earns a dollar from the sweat of his or her brow, it no longer belongs to his or her employer. In the case of public workers, it is no longer a “taxpayer dollar”; it is a dollar held privately by an American citizen. Public sector unions are financed through the dues paid by these private citizens, who elected to be part of a union – not a single taxpayer dollar is involved, and no worker is forced to join a union against his or her wishes. No worker in the United States is required to give one red cent to support a political cause he or she doesn't agree with.

Union Dues are Paid By Private Citizens



The question journalists should be asking is "who contributes" to the state of Wisconsin' s pension and health care plans.

The fact is that all of the money going into these plans belongs to the workers because it is part of the compensation of the state workers. The fact is that the state workers negotiate their total compensation, which they then divvy up between cash wages, paid vacations, health insurance and, yes, pensions.Since the Wisconsin government workers collectively bargained for their compensation, all of the compensation they have bargained for is part of their pay and thus only the workers contribute to the pension plan. This is an indisputable fact.

tax.com: Really Bad Reporting in Wisconsin: Who 'Contributes' to Public Workers' Pensions?
 
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

pbrauer said:
Thanks for the laugh Whovian, if you call this thugery then so the Tea Party are thugs as well. Signs?:lamo:lamo:rofl:screwy
Click to expand...

How can the liberal ideology create such brainwashed individuals who refuse to even acknowledge what the media is showing in video? Are you really that naive to believe that there aren't union thugs? No wonder this country is in such a mess when people like you cannot admit when wrong.
 
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

Conservative said:
Got to love your definition of success, 15 million unemployed Americans and more debt added in three years than Bush did in 8. Some are just like you, in denial of actual results.

Your evidence is blog posts that claim things could have been worse thus the definition of success? Over a trillion dollars thrown at the problem and these are the results. No wonder liberals have zero credibility.
Click to expand...

Your definition of success would be to be in "DEPRESSION" - now there's a conservative value to aspire for!
 
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

mertex said:
You are so wrong, as it has been pointed out over and over - but as usual, you keep repeating your rhetoric as if it were true. Quit posting untruths - the taxpayers are not paying for it. You need to educate yourself on it.

Let us begin with this simple, indisputable truth: public employees' unions don't get a single red cent from taxpayers. And they aren't a mechanism to “force” working people to support Democrats – that's completely illegal.

Public sector workers are employed by the government, but they are private citizens. Once a private citizen earns a dollar from the sweat of his or her brow, it no longer belongs to his or her employer. In the case of public workers, it is no longer a “taxpayer dollar”; it is a dollar held privately by an American citizen. Public sector unions are financed through the dues paid by these private citizens, who elected to be part of a union – not a single taxpayer dollar is involved, and no worker is forced to join a union against his or her wishes. No worker in the United States is required to give one red cent to support a political cause he or she doesn't agree with.

Union Dues are Paid By Private Citizens



The question journalists should be asking is "who contributes" to the state of Wisconsin' s pension and health care plans.

The fact is that all of the money going into these plans belongs to the workers because it is part of the compensation of the state workers. The fact is that the state workers negotiate their total compensation, which they then divvy up between cash wages, paid vacations, health insurance and, yes, pensions.Since the Wisconsin government workers collectively bargained for their compensation, all of the compensation they have bargained for is part of their pay and thus only the workers contribute to the pension plan. This is an indisputable fact.

tax.com: Really Bad Reporting in Wisconsin: Who 'Contributes' to Public Workers' Pensions?
Click to expand...

It really is too bad that you don't use some of that hard work of yours to get the other side of the story. Where do the union employees get their pay checks from? Where do the unions get the retirement and healthcare money from? Think that union pensions and healthcare money is being used solely for their intended purposes? If so why are they broke? Stop being foolish. Wish I could figure out why liberals like you are so brainwashed by a failed ideology.
 
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

mertex said:
Your definition of success would be to be in "DEPRESSION" - now there's a conservative value to aspire for!
Click to expand...

Right but only if we can starve kids like my grandkids, pollute the air, and kill grandma. Keep buying the liberal rhetoric that cannot be proven because that is what liberals do, distort and lie for their own personal gain.
 
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

pbrauer said:
Thanks for the laugh Whovian, if you call this thugery then so the Tea Party are thugs as well. Signs?:lamo:lamo:rofl:screwy
Click to expand...

I noticed you skipped this in your childish response...

Last night one Senator told me they had been told to clear the Capitol because the new groups coming in overnight are filled with with people “who aren’t afraid to be arrested” and the Administration could not guarantee the safety of the legislators and their staffs. In our Capitol.

On Thursday, legislators were advised to return to their offices and lock their doors. Mobs roamed the halls, banging on the glass of the doors, pounding on the walls. No one could move in the halls or enter or leave the building. The glass of the Supreme Court’s entrance was broken. Legislators were genuinely afraid. Our elected representatives were afraid. In our Capitol.

A young female reporter trying to get into the Senate chamber struggled to get through the crowd. She arrived disheveled and upset because she had been roughed up as she tried to get through “Bitch-slapped” the mob told her. A senior senator was spat on. A senator and his female staffer struggled to get into the capitol. He was worried about his staffer because the crowd was grabbing at her and pushing her. University Police were two arms lengths away and did nothing. They, of course, are union.
Click to expand...

Since that isn't enough...

Top 10 Ugly Moments in the Wisconsin Union Battle : News, Opinion, Truth & YOU!
Damage to capitol: The state capitol in Madison sustained $7.5 million in damage...
Click to expand...

The owner of the Easy Street Cafe in Madison called 911 when a group of union protesters, led by members of the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) Local 1199, stormed his restaurant and verbally accosted seven Republican state senators who were sharing a meal after a vote at the capitol. The group of about 10 people chanted and shouted obscenities at the legislators. When asked to leave by the owner, they refused and got into a scuffle with the restaurant staff.
Click to expand...
 
Last edited:
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

Conservative said:
It really is too bad that you don't use some of that hard work of yours to get the other side of the story. Where do the union employees get their pay checks from? Where do the unions get the retirement and healthcare money from? Think that union pensions and healthcare money is being used solely for their intended purposes? If so why are they broke? Stop being foolish. Wish I could figure out why liberals like you are so brainwashed by a failed ideology.
Click to expand...


OMG, I can't believe you are claiming that union workers don't earn their money.

I wish you could see how stupid your comment sounds - but I know that it goes over your head just like every comment you make!

Did you even read the articles I posted? Because if you had, you wouldn't make such ignorant statements. I'm taking a guess that you are still claiming that taxpayers are paying them! Bwahahaha! If that is true, then taxpayers pay for everyone's wages whether they are union or not - see how dumb that sounds?

Wonder why conservatives like you don't research your arguments a little better so you don't sound so ignorant.
 
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

mertex said:
OMG, I can't believe you are claiming that union workers don't earn their money.

I wish you could see how stupid your comment sounds - but I know that it goes over your head just like every comment you make!

Did you even read the articles I posted? Because if you had, you wouldn't make such ignorant statements. I'm taking a guess that you are still claiming that taxpayers are paying them! Bwahahaha! If that is true, then taxpayers pay for everyone's wages whether they are union or not - see how dumb that sounds?

Wonder why conservatives like you don't research your arguments a little better so you don't sound so ignorant.
Click to expand...

I cannot believe that you don't understand where their money comes from. I read your article and it is leftwing propaganda that flies in the face of logic and common sense. If you have such great faith in unions then you won't have any problem with people opting out or paying their union dues by check instead of payroll deduction. I suggest you read your own article and find out how pensions are really funded and by whom as well as who contributes?

Love being called ignorant by you because you have such a screwed up definition of the word. Look in the mirror, pal.
 
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

Conservative said:
How can the liberal ideology create such brainwashed individuals who refuse to even acknowledge what the media is showing in video? Are you really that naive to believe that there aren't union thugs? No wonder this country is in such a mess when people like you cannot admit when wrong.
Click to expand...
Are you so naive to think that there aren't people on both sides of the political spectrum that act badly? People are people, it's not confined to either side. I have yet to see why anyone would call the protestors in Madison as thugs - none of the evidence presented has shown any of this. I think it's disgusting that anyone who would call themselves American would paint such a broad brush. However there are some conservatives....
 
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

donc said:
So in other words you would rather deflect,than answer this question honestly "what is the difference between public Unions and private Unions"?Instead you come up with a lame ass attempt at deflection to Unionism.Weak sauce indeed.:mrgreen:


If that is the case then I have done my job in pointing out to all that care to see (in case there is someone that hasn’t seen any of your post) what a completely dishonest poster really are.:2wave:
Click to expand...

There's many of us that have already discovered that, we keep hoping that he will discover it too, but so far we have had zero luck!
 
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

pbrauer said:
Are you so naive to think that there aren't people on both sides of the political spectrum that act badly? People are people, it's not confined to either side. I have yet to see why anyone would call the protestors in Madison as thugs - none of the evidence presented has shown any of this. I think it's disgusting that anyone who would call themselves American would paint such a broad brush. However there are some conservatives....
Click to expand...


your blindness is astounding.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom