• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights withou

Status
Not open for further replies.
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

You're kidding, Right?

Here is an article for you to read that's more on the topic of this tread: :mrgreen:

We Are All Wisconsinites Now | The Nation

You challenged the author but ignored the content, says a lot about you. Get someone to help you read it then get back to me with you disagree with. The issue was the difference between public and private unions and everything in that article is absolutely correct.

Yep, talk about leftwing bulls***, that is it and that includes the content. You won't be happy until you and your ilk destroy the entire U.S. economy with your search for utopia and total dependence of the ignorant.
 
Last edited:
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

So your entire problem is with "unionism?" Now that is funny but also that is their opinion and mine as well but regardless that isn't the point at all, nice diversion. What exactly in the comparison between public and private unions is wrong?

Unionism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

un·ion·ism (yny-nzm)
n.
1. The principle or theory of forming a union.
2. The principles, theory, or system of a union, especially a trade union.

So in other words you would rather deflect,than answer this question honestly "what is the difference between public Unions and private Unions"?Instead you come up with a lame ass attempt at deflection to Unionism.Weak sauce indeed.:mrgreen:


If that is the case then I have done my job in pointing out to all that care to see (in case there is someone that hasn’t seen any of your post) what a completely dishonest poster really are.:2wave:
 
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

So in other words you would rather deflect,than answer this question honestly "what is the difference between public Unions and private Unions"?Instead you come up with a lame ass attempt at deflection to Unionism.Weak sauce indeed.:mrgreen:


If that is the case then I have done my job in pointing out to all that care to see (in case there is someone that hasn’t seen any of your post) what a completely dishonest poster really are.:2wave:

Is that the way you operate in real life, read the first sentence and then move on to something else. The article describes the differences and you have yet to refute anything in that article as being inaccurate, that is because you cannot so you divert. You brought up unionism, not me, I posted the definition which of course you ignored.
 
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

You challenged the author but ignored the content, says a lot about you. Get someone to help you read it then get back to me with you disagree with. The issue was the difference between public and private unions and everything in that article is absolutely correct.

Yep, talk about leftwing bulls***, that is it and that includes the content. You won't be happy until you and your ilk destroy the entire U.S. economy with your search for utopia and total dependence of the ignorant.
You and your buddies on Wall Street have that mission. You guys came damn close in 2008.
 
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

Only when people are too scared to respond.

You got PWNED, yet again... and chickened out of responding.

Glad to see you, Whovian, I have been taking a lot of personal attacks today from the looney left. Thanks for being here.
 
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

Only when people are too scared to respond.

You got PWNED, yet again... and chickened out of responding.

Don't you ever get tired of that sophomoric stuff? :roll:
 
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

Glad to see you, Whovian, I have been taking a lot of personal attacks today from the looney left. Thanks for being here.

well, 'someone' had to bring some sanity to the thread.
 
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

You're kidding, Right?

Here is an article for you to read that's more on the topic of this tread: :mrgreen:

We Are All Wisconsinites Now | The Nation

How to Help in JapanWisconsin Rallies for Labor Rights and Economic DemocracyBritish It was, paradoxically, at once a significant loss for the protest movement in Wisconsin and a measure of its extraordinary success that Governor Scott Walker and his Republican allies had to resort to legislative legerdemain to pass their unpopular unionbusting measure on March 10. By separating the attack on collective bargaining from the budget bill, they ensured its passage, but they also stripped the veneer off their own agenda: this was never about budgets, and always about class war. As Michael Moore put it in his rousing speech to the crowd of tens of thousands who had assembled a few days before in Madison, “America is not broke…. The country is awash in wealth and cash. It’s just that it’s not in your hands. It has been transferred, in the greatest heist in history, from the workers and consumers to the banks and portfolios of the über-rich.”
 
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

How to Help in JapanWisconsin Rallies for Labor Rights and Economic DemocracyBritish It was, paradoxically, at once a significant loss for the protest movement in Wisconsin and a measure of its extraordinary success that Governor Scott Walker and his Republican allies had to resort to legislative legerdemain to pass their unpopular unionbusting measure on March 10. By separating the attack on collective bargaining from the budget bill, they ensured its passage, but they also stripped the veneer off their own agenda: this was never about budgets, and always about class war. As Michael Moore put it in his rousing speech to the crowd of tens of thousands who had assembled a few days before in Madison, “America is not broke…. The country is awash in wealth and cash. It’s just that it’s not in your hands. It has been transferred, in the greatest heist in history, from the workers and consumers to the banks and portfolios of the über-rich.”

yeah.. all rich are evil... kill the rich! take their ****! yaeh! Amerika!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

The article describes the differences and you have yet to refute anything in that article as being inaccurate, that is because you cannot so you divert. .


If you want to run and hide after taking an out of context post and running with it, go ahead. But before you go try to make at least one of your patented feeble attempts at answering what we were discussing. Which was… "What is the difference between public Unions and private Unions”?
 
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

If you want to run and hide after taking an out of context post and running with it, go ahead. But before you go try to make at least one of your patented feeble attempts at answering what we were discussing. Which was… "What is the difference between public Unions and private Unions”?

The article defines the difference but not in the first sentence which is as far as you got.

In the private sector, consumers have the right to opt out.
 
Last edited:
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

As Michael Moore put it in his rousing speech to the crowd of tens of thousands who had assembled a few days before in Madison, “America is not broke…. The country is awash in wealth and cash. It’s just that it’s not in your hands. It has been transferred, in the greatest heist in history, from the workers and consumers to the banks and portfolios of the über-rich.”

This heist exactly was what?
 
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

wrong cp, ....if the shop is already unionized when the a person applies for a job, and they are offered a job, THEY HAVE A CHOICE THEN, TO ACCEPT THE JOB, AND WORK IN A UNION SHOP, OR TO SAY 'NO THANKS, NOT WORKING IN A UNION SHOP'

exactly. and if a worker were interviewing for a job and the guy performing the interview were to say "by the way, this is a non-union workplace, and you can't organize a union if you want to work here" then the employee has the choice to either accept this term of condition or say "no thanks, not working in a no-union shop".

and no, not unionizing can't be made a condition of employment, as that choice is a right of the worker, and protected by federal law.

yes, yes, i know. the worker has a right to choose to join a union, just not the right to choose to leave one without losing his job. all animals are equal and some are just more equal than others.
 
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

This heist exactly was what?

rich people made the poor people's lives better by building things like Walmarts and lowering their cost of living.

coming from Moore, though, the whole thing is rather rich.
 
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

Labor jobs not management...again Union labor are the only working americans making a halfway living wage with some security.

i'm not management. neither is my brother. my dad i guess you could say is because he's the "head" pastor (he has a junior pastor) of the church. skilled intelligent workers do just fine without unions. in fact, they do better when their areas are not unionized, as unions tend to depress wages and employment.
 
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

rich people made the poor people's lives better by building things like Walmarts and lowering their cost of living.

coming from Moore, though, the whole thing is rather rich.

that's a big stretch, even from Moore.
 
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

that's a big stretch, even from Moore.

well folks like Moore tend to see economic interactions as zero sum and depend on the labor theory of value. so, the fact that someone makes a profit off of getting more people to buy a better product for a lower price means that they are, in fact, stealing from those people... by increasing their standard of living.
 
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

rich people made the poor people's lives better by building things like Walmarts and lowering their cost of living.

coming from Moore, though, the whole thing is rather rich.

Yeah, right! The rich CEO's of all the major corporations have their merchandise made in China and other places leaving the middle class without any manufacturing jobs. That is the heist.
 
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

Yeah, right! The rich CEO's of all the major corporations have their merchandise made in China and other places leaving the middle class without any manufacturing jobs. That is the heist.

CEOs deal with the rules of the road. If Obama really cared about working class americans he would use things like the tax laws to make it more costly to manufacture abroad. He would have pressed for a health care system that is not employer based. There are a lot of things that Obama could do, but then he would not have CEOs to use as whipping posts for people like you.

It is always hard to know people's backgrounds dealing with the internet. My sense is that you have not been a decisionmaker at a major corporation. If you had you would have a better appreciation for the considerations people make when decided where to source a product.
 
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

You are missing a very important point and that is the benefits that the employee gets but doesn't pay for. Pension funds and healthcare funds are provided by the taxpayer for the employee and paid to the unions that manage both. That is a lot of money and a lot of control of taxpayer money. Also, in Wisconsin, the union dues are payroll deductions, not paid for by the employee. Payment of those dues comes from the taxpayer to the department to the unions.

In your example, yes all funding for union employees comes from the taxpayer just like all funding for private sector employees comes from the customer. Without taxpayers or customers where wouldn't be any employees thus no spending at McDonalds.

Important Differences Between Government and Private-Sector Unions [Mackinac Center]
stop, just stop already, you keep trotting this out, and it keeps getting smacked down....those 'union dues' come out of wages earned by the employee...you are implying that the employee hasnt earned this money, and that the state is just 'giving away' tax payer money to cover the dues...you know this is wrong, why on God's green earth do you keep trotting this line of bs out?
 
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

Yeah, right! The rich CEO's of all the major corporations have their merchandise made in China and other places leaving the middle class without any manufacturing jobs. That is the heist.

why would you want a higher cost of living and a crappy job pushing the same screw in 26,487 times a day for less pay?

no thanks, let them take the menial factory jobs.
 
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

stop, just stop already, you keep trotting this out, and it keeps getting smacked down....those 'union dues' come out of wages earned by the employee...you are implying that the employee hasnt earned this money, and that the state is just 'giving away' tax payer money to cover the dues...you know this is wrong, why on God's green earth do you keep trotting this line of bs out?

becausethat is what we in the military call "the reality on he ground". the democrats in office give the workers a raise of 10%, the unions see their cut go up 10%, and the democrats running for office see their cut go up 10%.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom