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They would rip into him for not swimming like a good white person would.

In the private sector results matter, in the public sector results don't matter, it is how much you can spend on people. No wonder you weren't successful in the private sector
 
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I agree.
Most Americans are stupid and they will vote for Obama again.


You're half-right. Most Americans are stupid, but they voted for Bush.
 
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You're half-right. Most Americans are stupid, but they voted for Bush.

The epitome of stupidity was the half that bought "Hope and Change". Morons.
 
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Yep, you keep believing that this country is a left leaning one. Obama would have never been elected were it not for his rhetoric which led many to believe he was a moderate or centrist. Flowering rhetoric trumped his resume which his results now show to be accurate. You are not in the majority in this country no matter what you think. You have spent way too much time in the leftwing areas of Oregon. Maybe you ought to spend a little time in "Flyover" country.
I have no doubts that the country is left leaning. The country supports social safety net legislation such as Social Security and unions. Shortly after Bush started his 2nd term, he said he had "political capital" and proceeded to try to privatize Social Security. The more he talked about it the less the people liked what he was saying. During the health care debate there were members of the Tea Party that were carrying signs "keep your hands off my Medicare."


Do you actually believe Scott Walker would have won the election if he had revealed he would eliminate collective barganing? Polls today say he wouldn't have. There is an execellant chance he will be recalled next year and three GOP Wis. senators are in danger of being recalled this year.
 
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In the private sector results matter, in the public sector results don't matter, it is how much you can spend on people. No wonder you weren't successful in the private sector
Your kidding, right? The results of the teachers, police, fire, mail don't matter??
 
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You continue to buy the Obama rhetoric and ignore the Obama results, why? His number one job is to create an atmosphere for the private sector to create jobs, he has failed miserably. Creating public sector jobs is offset by the cost to the taxpayer to fund those jobs, not much of a gain if any.

I am results oriented and the results are there for all to see. Do the research and stop buying the rhetoric.
What paragraph in Article II is this specified, conservative??:lamo
 
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The epitome of stupidity was the half that bought "Hope and Change". Morons.



Well unintelligent people would say that, but lets face it, Bush put the country in the toilet, Obama is bringing it out - I would say the one that voted for Bush, that think he was better are the "stupid" ones.
 
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What paragraph in Article II is this specified, conservative??:lamo


Ha,ha, I thought the Bush Tax Cuts for the wealthy are the ones that were going to create jobs - so why the hell is he blaming Obama? Didn't Obama sign to extend the Bush Tax Cuts for the wealthy? The ones that create jobs? Bwahahaha!
 
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Well unintelligent people would say that, but lets face it, Bush put the country in the toilet, Obama is bringing it out - I would say the one that voted for Bush, that think he was better are the "stupid" ones.

No morons would deny it, but let's face it, Obama took what Bush put in the toilet and multiplied it by ten. Morons... Hope and Change! BWAHAHAHA!
 
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Your kidding, right? The results of the teachers, police, fire, mail don't matter??


By their reasoning, it is apparent that most Republicans/conservatives were home-schooled!
 
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No morons would deny it, but let's face it, Obama took what Bush put in the toilet and multiplied it by ten. Morons... Hope and Change! BWAHAHAHA!

Yes you do, you keep denying it, but thanks to Obama we are not in the sewer, where we would have been if McClone and Failin would have succeeded in duping the people that thought Bush was so great. We have more hope and change than those two morons would have provided but I'm sure the ones that ride the short bus will continue to deny it.
 
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a trillion dollar incentive program for the private sector, not Obamacare, not bailout of unions, not targeted tax cuts. the only way to get out of this mess is to grow your way out of it.

Look at that we agree the only way to get out of this mess is to grow our way out of it, now since the 10 year tax cut incentive did not inspire job growth what is your solution?
 
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Yes you do, you keep denying it, but thanks to Obama we are not in the sewer, where we would have been if McClone and Failin would have succeeded in duping the people that thought Bush was so great. We have more hope and change than those two morons would have provided but I'm sure the ones that ride the short bus will continue to deny it.

What exactly did Obama do to get us out of the sewer? Think the 15 million unemployed today think Obama got us out of the sewer? I hope I am around when you actually grow up.
 
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Look at that we agree the only way to get out of this mess is to grow our way out of it, now since the 10 year tax cut incentive did not inspire job growth what is your solution?

The tax cuts worked, 8.5 million jobs created from 2003-2007. The housing bubble burst and the financial meltdown as a result negated the effects of the tax cuts which after a time wear out, just like a pay raise wears out over time and you expect another one. Cut the corporate tax rate, revise the capital gains tax code, restructure the depreciation schedules, and reward individuals for innovation and creativity, all contrary to the Obama beliefs and economic model.
 
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What exactly did Obama do to get us out of the sewer?
He kept us out of the sewer. Bush put us in the toilet, McCain would have put us in the sewer considering he was a Bush clone.


Think the 15 million unemployed today think Obama got us out of the sewer?
I'm sure they blame Bush for putting them in the sewer, and if we hadn't had so much opposition from the party of no, they might have had jobs by now, but they can send their thank you notes to the Republicans in Congress.


I hope I am around when you actually grow up.

You are around, or are you a a figment of your own imagination?
 
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Meanwhile back in Wisconsin.:2wave:


<Salary boosted for worker with ties to Hopper
A state worker with ties to Sen. Randy Hopper is being paid $11,000 more annually than her predecessor in a position at the department of regulation and licensing.

State officials said the woman, 26, was hired to a limited term, communications specialist position last month, with a salary equivalent to $42, 328 annually.

State officials Friday said the woman’s predecessor left the position in January, with a salary equivalent to $31,200 annually. No explanation was given for the new hire’s higher pay.

Sources told WKOW27 News the state employee was the same person referred to by Hopper’s estranged wife when she publicly stated her husband started an affair in Madison. Hopper (R-Fond du Lac) and his estranged wife are in the midst of a divorce action.

During an interview with WKOW27 News, Hopper declined to comment on his relationship with the woman.

But Hopper told WKOW27 News he played no role in the woman’s hiring.

WKOW27 News is not identifying the state employee at this time because her hiring or employment is not the subject of a formal inquiry or complaint, and she is not named in civil actions.

The woman has yet return any phone calls from WKOW27 News seeking comment. >

Guess which political party Sen. Randy Hopper belongs to ?:roll:

Salary boosted for worker with ties to Hopper
 
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He kept us out of the sewer. Bush put us in the toilet, McCain would have put us in the sewer considering he was a Bush clone.



I'm sure they blame Bush for putting them in the sewer, and if we hadn't had so much opposition from the party of no, they might have had jobs by now, but they can send their thank you notes to the Republicans in Congress.




You are around, or are you a a figment of your own imagination?

Typical non answer from you, what policies did Obama implement that brought us out of the sewer? Grow up
 
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Typical non answer from you, what policies did Obama implement that brought us out of the sewer? Grow up


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But mertex's comments were on topic? Hmmm, got it



Kinda looks like you finally got the Wisconsin thread derailed. I am proud of anyway, since it seems you have somehow managed to not to succumb to your natural knee jerk reaction of posting RANDOM BLS.GOV numbers…yet.:mrgreen:
 
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But mertex's comments were on topic? Hmmm, got it

Kinda looks like you finally got the Wisconsin thread derailed. I am proud of anyway, since it seems you have somehow managed to not to succumb to your natural knee jerk reaction of posting RANDOM BLS.GOV numbers…yet.:mrgreen:
 
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The tax cuts worked, 8.5 million jobs created from 2003-2007. The housing bubble burst and the financial meltdown as a result negated the effects of the tax cuts which after a time wear out, just like a pay raise wears out over time and you expect another one. Cut the corporate tax rate, revise the capital gains tax code, restructure the depreciation schedules, and reward individuals for innovation and creativity, all contrary to the Obama beliefs and economic model.

Your right however if you look at the numbers below you will see that the labor force increased between 2001 and 2009 and where more people found work the unemployment rate went up during the same period of time

Unemployment numbers are also effected by the two year extension to unemployment benefits, The housing bubble collapsed accounting for millions of lost jobs

The housing bubble has collapsed , the tax cuts have been extended for two years, where do you see work coming from?

If we are going to have a honest debate every thing has to be put on the table, other wise we are just repeating talking points, is that all this is about?

I am retired from private sector employment, My daughter is a doctor, I have one grandson they will survive the down turn in our economy, but what about all of those who have lost their jobs lost their homes and can't see the light at the end of the tunnel, if we continue to support failed policies and can't move pass rhetorical talking points we are going to continue to sink into an economic pit that we can not get out of


United States Unemployment data

YEAR.............LABOR FORCE.......EMPLOYED......UNEMPLOYED......UNEMP RATE
2010 YTD Average 153,888,667 139,063,917 14,824,750 9.6%
2009 08BM 154,142,000 139,877,000 14,265,000 9.3%
2008 08BM 154,287,000 145,362,000 8,924,000 5.8%
2007 08BM 153,124,000 146,047,000 7,078,000 4.6%
2006 08BM 151,428,000 144,427,000 7,001,000 4.6%
2005 08BM 149,320,000 141,730,000 7,591,000 5.1%
2004 147,401,000 139,252,000 8,149,000 5.5%
2003 146,510,000 137,736,000 8,774,000 6.0%
2002 144,863,000 136,485,000 8,378,000 5.8%
2001 143,734,000 136,933,000 6,801,000 4.7%
2000 142,583,000 136,891,000 5,692,000 4.0%
1999 139,368,000 133,488,000 5,880,000 4.2%
1998 137,673,000 131,463,000 6,210,000 4.5%
1997 136,297,000 129,558,000 6,739,000 4.9%
1996 133,943,000 126,708,000 7,236,000 5.4%
1995 132,304,000 124,900,000 7,404,000 5.6%
1994 131,056,000 123,060,000 7,996,000 6.1%
1993 129,200,000 120,259,000 8,940,000 6.9%
1992 128,105,000 118,492,000 9,613,000 7.5%
1991 126,346,000 117,718,000 8,628,000 6.8%
1990 125,840,000 118,793,000 7,047,000 5.6%
1989 123,869,000 117,342,000 6,528,000 5.3%
1988 121,669,000 114,968,000 6,701,000 5.5%
1987 119,865,000 112,440,000 7,425,000 6.2%
1986 117,834,000 109,597,000 8,237,000 7.0%
1985 115,462,000 107,150,000 8,312,000 7.2%
1984 113,544,000 105,005,000 8,539,000 7.5%
1983 111,551,000 100,834,000 10,717,000 9.6%
1982 110,204,000 99,526,000 10,678,000 9.7%
1981 108,670,000 100,397,000 8,273,000 7.6%
1980 106,940,000 99,303,000 7,637,000 7.1%
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Union workers private and public are the only working americans making a decent wage and maintaining a level of competence.

Just one example of so many are the bus crashs that have killed dozens and wounded many more. Non union tour bus drivers UNDERpaid at 8.00 an hr with no benefits are the bottom of the barrel because no one else will take the responsibliity of 45 passengerss for that kind of wage.
There are dozens maybe hundreds of greyhounds going cross country daily and theres less fatal accidents..why? because they pay a decent wage and acctually have people with a brain not ex convicts that will take the job.
The Corporations and the rich and influential are succesfully waging classwarfare from the top down. They have created envy and jealousy between public union workers and private non union workers. I find private sector workers MORONS for falling for this, they are the ones that are UNDER paid with no benefits, they should be striving to get what union workers are being paid, not trying to tear them down to their lvl with no benefits and no security
Instead of waging war on working americans, why isnt the teaparty railing and attacking illegal immigration that costs us BILLIONS more than any union public sector workers that are providing us with services NONE of the rich will do themselves....
Im a long time republican who is totally disgusted with this new teaparty that is made of and only for the rich...
 
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The epitome of stupidity was the half that bought "Hope and Change". Morons.

Reading your comment about the stupidity of people and looking at the photo to the left of it certainly causes one to pause.
 
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not sure i follow you on the last part, but yes, voluntary contributions do net a fair amount of cash....whether you believe that or not, i can't help

of course you can help. you can, for example, post some numbers. The American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, for example, was the largest political donor of 2010, with over $87 million in 2010 alone; it oughtn't be that difficult to find some of their numbers. I would love to see it demonstrated that - of those $87 million - not a single dollar came from union dues, but rather from voluntary donations.

except to ask you a few questions...have you belonged to a union? i believe the answer to be NO, so , your knowledge on how the unions raise money for political activities is extremely limited, to say the least....quite a few folks have money taken out of their checks in my union, for v-cap, those amounts range from a couple of dollars a week to sometimes 50-100 dollars a month

alright, and this is automatic, or do they have to apply to have it done.

others, of course, just have the state do the deduction for them:
...In Texas, for instance, the teachers’ unions are an extraordinarily powerful political force, with the Texas State Teachers’ Association running an influential PAC that reliably doles out great heaps of money, largely to Democrats, in multi-thousand-dollar increments. How powerful is the TSTA? Powerful enough that it was able to persuade school districts to use their payroll departments to collect PAC donations out of teachers’ paychecks, in violation of state law. Meditate on that for a second: These weren’t union dues being deducted out of government employees’ paychecks, but PAC donations...

and this is above and beyond the dues they pay. i'm sure this is the same in all other unions when it comes to funding political activities.

i'm sure it is; you always raise more money when you candget it automatically deducted rather than expecting people to actually give the money to you.

as for the first part, the employee has the CHOICE right at the beginning of employment, to either work in the shop, and join the union, or to say no thank you, if they honestly have that big of a problem working in a union shop. and yes, a shop owner would be violating federal law by telling workers that no they can't join a union if they work for him

i agree, it would be a violation of federal law. that is part of my point, that federal law here is unfairly tilted in favor of unions.

but you're not answering the question. why, if union membership can be made a condition of employment, can't lack of the same? why can the union place a condition on employment that the person actually hiring and paying the worker cannot?

that is not his choice, it is the CHOICE OF THOSE WORKING IN THE SHOP TO FORM A UNION OR NOT

and here you contradict yourself, saying that it should be the choice of the worker whether or not he wants to be in a union, but you only seem willing to limit his choices in favor of unionization.

I believe you know and understand this.

i believe you know you have been caught out. whether it was your intent or no, your position is such that you are not, in fact, willing to maximize the choices of the worker. you are willing only that he be bent upon the path that you yourself have chosen.
 
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