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I agree.
Most Americans are stupid and they will vote for Obama again.

If they do, it will be the fault of the GOP for not running an electable candidate. Palin, anyone? How about Newt?
 
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no. as of yet there is not a single Republican contender for the post that is not a superior alternative to the Navel Gazer in Chief.

WHoot…on hiccup noted…Charlie Sheen 'Winning' Over Sarah Palin .:mrgreen:

Among Independents
By ROBERT SCHLESINGER
Posted: March 17, 2011


<Among independent voters, “tiger blood” trumps “Mama Grizzly” genes, at least according to a poll released today by Public Policy Polling. >


Poll: Charlie Sheen 'Winning' Over Sarah Palin Among Independents - Robert Schlesinger (usnews.com)


While Obama cruses along with a comfortable 51% according to the latest Gallup.:2wave:
 
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If they do, it will be the fault of the GOP for not running an electable candidate. Palin, anyone? How about Newt?


I agree with the first part, but there is no indication that Palin will run for anything other than a second season of her Alaska outdoor show. And Newt? Nah, he's a smart guy, he knows that there are hurdles because an Obama friendly media would not let him get away with something that a demo could just brush off.

j-mac
 
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WHoot…on hiccup noted…Charlie Sheen 'Winning' Over Sarah Palin .:mrgreen:

Among Independents
By ROBERT SCHLESINGER
Posted: March 17, 2011


<Among independent voters, “tiger blood” trumps “Mama Grizzly” genes, at least according to a poll released today by Public Policy Polling. >


Poll: Charlie Sheen 'Winning' Over Sarah Palin Among Independents - Robert Schlesinger (usnews.com)


While Obama cruses along with a comfortable 51% according to the latest Gallup.:2wave:

Why shouldn't Obama cruise when he has an entire media doing his dirty work for him?

j-mac
 
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Why shouldn't Obama cruise when he has an entire media doing his dirty work for him?

j-mac


Nah, CORP media does what CORP media always does, looks out for CORP bottom line.:2wave:
 
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Nah, CORP media does what CORP media always does, looks out for CORP bottom line.:2wave:

How is that "bottomline" for NY Times, CNN, MSNBC, and even the mainstream media NBC, CBS, and ABC? Seems that their ideology trumps common sense business practices thus shareholder value which is shrinking. News Corp however is doing quite well and News Corp owns Fox News.
 
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Nah, CORP media does what CORP media always does, looks out for CORP bottom line.:2wave:

It's only Corp media when they need cover for their skewed reporting, and attack journalism.

j-mac
 
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How is that "bottomline" for NY Times, CNN, MSNBC, and even the mainstream media NBC, CBS, and ABC? Seems that their ideology trumps common sense business practices thus shareholder value which is shrinking. News Corp however is doing quite well and News Corp owns Fox News.

Why would anyone find that finding Fox news doing quite well surprising, after all Fox appeals to 51% of the registered voters who still don't believe that President Obama was born in America while another 23% are not sure. I listened to Fox last night as they tried to convince their loyal followers that our military should have been in Libya. We have a president who knows how to work within the International community. Fox has one priority and that is their ratings
 
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no. as of yet there is not a single Republican contender for the post that is not a superior alternative to the Navel Gazer in Chief.

Are there any official Republican contenders at all? So far, there is just speculation on who might run.
 
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Why would anyone find that finding Fox news doing quite well surprising, after all Fox appeals to 51% of the registered voters who still don't believe that President Obama was born in America while another 23% are not sure. I listened to Fox last night as they tried to convince their loyal followers that our military should have been in Libya. We have a president who knows how to work within the International community. Fox has one priority and that is their ratings

Actually yours is a typical liberal comment when you cannot refute what is being reported. Fox viewers are looking at results instead of solely listening to the rhetoric. It does appear to me that most Obama supporters have no concept of leadership or even understanding results. Keep throwing out the birther comments and ignore the 15 million unemployed Americans, lower employment today than when he took office, trillions added to the debt, and meager economic growth, but on the plus sign his golf game is improving and he is helping the economy of all those foreign countries he is visiting while on vacation.
 
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Why would anyone find that finding Fox news doing quite well surprising, after all Fox appeals to 51% of the registered voters who still don't believe that President Obama was born in America while another 23% are not sure. I listened to Fox last night as they tried to convince their loyal followers that our military should have been in Libya. We have a president who knows how to work within the International community. Fox has one priority and that is their ratings

Now, since Fox is doing well due to the "birthers" why is it that liberal media is doing so poorly as that still leaves a lot of the public that still is there buying the Obama rhetoric? could it be that it isn't truly 51% of the registered voters that are watching Fox but instead people are watching Fox because they are sick and tired of the liberal spin coming from the rest of the networks? you see, trust but verify is what conservatives do and when you verify the Obama rhetoric you find results that don't measure up. You ought to try it some time. Name for me an economic or foreign relations success for Obama?
 
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The networks, whether it is FOX or MSNBC, depend on advertising dollars to stay in business. Advertisers would rather play their propaganda to a larger audience than to a smaller one. The name of the game, therefore, is attracting an audience. The news networks, therefore, play what will attract the largest number of viewers, period. If a showman like Glenn Beck, for example, attracts an audience, then he stays on the air. If he fails to entertain enough people, then he's history. It is not a matter of ideology, or of reporting reality or facts, or of any spin one way or the other, but about advertising dollars.

Just like any other corporation, broadcasters are driven by the bottom line.
 
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The networks, whether it is FOX or MSNBC, depend on advertising dollars to stay in business. Advertisers would rather play their propaganda to a larger audience than to a smaller one. The name of the game, therefore, is attracting an audience. The news networks, therefore, play what will attract the largest number of viewers, period. If a showman like Glenn Beck, for example, attracts an audience, then he stays on the air. If he fails to entertain enough people, then he's history. It is not a matter of ideology, or of reporting reality or facts, or of any spin one way or the other, but about advertising dollars.

Just like any other corporation, broadcasters are driven by the bottom line.

Except with the liberal media that seems to be so arrogant that they refuse to change and give the people what they want which is the truth, not more rhetoric and promises.

Obama won the 2008 elections with 52% of the vote, he has lost much of that support due to performance and results. To make it any other issue is just a diversion. The people that supported him who now won't vote to re-elect him are seeing the results. Those that continue to support him still hear the rhetoric. Notice the difference?
 
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Right, polls don't matter but results do. You seem to have no interest in results but continue to buy the Obama rhetoric. 15 million unemployed Americans, less employed today than when he took office, debt created will exceed Bush's at the end of fiscal year 2011, meager economic growth, the worst performance in history two years after a recession, the Middle East on fire, no leadership skills. The President isn't a contestent on American Idol so stop treating him like one by voting for him because you like him personally. He lacks leadership skills and the results are a disaster.
Like I said, approval polls mean nothing, the only poll that matters is the one taken on Nov 2012. Obama's poll numbers are greater than Ronald Reagan had going for his second term.
Much of the Debt and Deficit that you whine about was caused by Bush, you just can't legitimately blame it all on Obama.
Jobs, Jobs!!! Where are the jobs Mr. Boehner????
 
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Like I said, approval polls mean nothing, the only poll that matters is the one taken on Nov 2012. Obama's poll numbers are greater than Ronald Reagan had going for his second term.
Much of the Debt and Deficit that you whine about was caused by Bush, you just can't legitimately blame it all on Obama.
Jobs, Jobs!!! Where are the jobs Mr. Boehner????

There is quite a difference, Reagan got results and the Reagan economic policy resonated with the American people. His recession led to 10.8%unemployment and double digit inflation which he turned around in two years leading to the biggest election victory in history. It is policy that matters and that is where the difference lies. Reagan's policy was pro growth and pro individual wealth creation whereas Obama's was pro govt. and pro wealth redistribution. Liberals love the latter and the country on a whole prefers the former. If you are looking for a Reagan type rebound for Obama you are going to be sorely disappointed as he doesn't have any of Reagan in him as his policies show.
 
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Like I said, approval polls mean nothing, the only poll that matters is the one taken on Nov 2012. Obama's poll numbers are greater than Ronald Reagan had going for his second term.
Much of the Debt and Deficit that you whine about was caused by Bush, you just can't legitimately blame it all on Obama.
Jobs, Jobs!!! Where are the jobs Mr. Boehner????

The elections in 2010 mattered as well. Public approval polls do mean something. They tell the administration statistically how most Americans feel. In a democracy the opinion of the people is something that is important. True, Bush did raise the deficit, but Obama has raised it by far more than any president in history. You say we can't blame it all on Obama, yet you are quick to blame the Republican Speaker of the House who has to work with a Democrat Senate and Executive branch.
 
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The elections in 2010 mattered as well. Public approval polls do mean something. They tell the administration statistically how most Americans feel. In a democracy the opinion of the people is something that is important. True, Bush did raise the deficit, but Obama has raised it by far more than any president in history. You say we can't blame it all on Obama, yet you are quick to blame the Republican Speaker of the House who has to work with a Democrat Senate and Executive branch.

I wonder how Obama supporters explain the drop in support from the 52% that voted for Obama? Could it be that more and more people are fed up with the rhetoric and actually looking at results?
 
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I wonder how Obama supporters explain the drop in support from the 52% that voted for Obama? Could it be that more and more people are fed up with the rhetoric and actually looking at results?
That's easy, many of his supporters are not happy with his centrist polices, but that doesn't mean they will vote for a regressive Republican. That was my point. His poll numbers would be much higher if he been more liberal.

Who is going to beat him??
 
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That's easy, many of his supporters are not happy with his centrist polices, but that doesn't mean they will vote for a regressive Republican. That was my point. His poll numbers would be much higher if he been more liberal.

Who is going to beat him??

Yep, you keep believing that this country is a left leaning one. Obama would have never been elected were it not for his rhetoric which led many to believe he was a moderate or centrist. Flowering rhetoric trumped his resume which his results now show to be accurate. You are not in the majority in this country no matter what you think. You have spent way too much time in the leftwing areas of Oregon. Maybe you ought to spend a little time in "Flyover" country.
 
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Now, since Fox is doing well due to the "birthers" why is it that liberal media is doing so poorly as that still leaves a lot of the public that still is there buying the Obama rhetoric? could it be that it isn't truly 51% of the registered voters that are watching Fox but instead people are watching Fox because they are sick and tired of the liberal spin coming from the rest of the networks? you see, trust but verify is what conservatives do and when you verify the Obama rhetoric you find results that don't measure up. You ought to try it some time. Name for me an economic or foreign relations success for Obama?

They watch it because people only want to watch things that don't challenge their opinions. It's complacency and laziness that leads to Fox News viewership.
 
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They watch it because people only want to watch things that don't challenge their opinions. It's complacency and laziness that leads to Fox News viewership.

LOL, yeah, right. Fox makes liberals crazy and that is good enough for me. Fox is what liberals use to divert from the real issues. Watching Fox is a personal choice and apparently more and more are exercising that choice and that just makes liberals crazier. Guess it is easier for liberals to focus on Fox than address real issues and actual results.
 
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Except with the liberal media that seems to be so arrogant that they refuse to change and give the people what they want which is the truth, not more rhetoric and promises.

If that's really true, then media will lose viewers, the advertisers will go elsewhere, and the "liberal media" will be a thing of the past. It's called competition, and it is inherent in a capitalist enterprise, like broadcasting. Broadcasters have to give the public what it wants.

Obama won the 2008 elections with 52% of the vote, he has lost much of that support due to performance and results. To make it any other issue is just a diversion. The people that supported him who now won't vote to re-elect him are seeing the results. Those that continue to support him still hear the rhetoric. Notice the difference?

There are super partisans on both sides that wouldn't vote for the opposing party under any circumstances. Those in the middle can be swayed one way or the other, but the Republicans are going to have to do better than Palin or Gingrich if they're going to prevail in the next election. Who do you think is going to run?
 
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If that's really true, then media will lose viewers, the advertisers will go elsewhere, and the "liberal media" will be a thing of the past. It's called competition, and it is inherent in a capitalist enterprise, like broadcasting. Broadcasters have to give the public what it wants.



There are super partisans on both sides that wouldn't vote for the opposing party under any circumstances. Those in the middle can be swayed one way or the other, but the Republicans are going to have to do better than Palin or Gingrich if they're going to prevail in the next election. Who do you think is going to run?

The fact is the MSM including NY Times, CNN, MSNBC are losing viewers and losing money. That says it all. The fact remains Obama has lost significant support from the 52% he got in the last election and that is due to results as people hearing the flowering rhetoric are verifying that rhetoric by seeing results. Results matter and they aren't pretty. The Blame Bush rhetoric isn't working any more. On the plus side however Obama's golf game is improving.
 
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The fact is the MSM including NY Times, CNN, MSNBC are losing viewers and losing money. That says it all. The fact remains Obama has lost significant support from the 52% he got in the last election and that is due to results as people hearing the flowering rhetoric are verifying that rhetoric by seeing results. Results matter and they aren't pretty. The Blame Bush rhetoric isn't working any more. On the plus side however Obama's golf game is improving.
Americans usually vote for the incumbent for president if a crappy opposition is put up. Frankly, at this point, the only viable republicans who could beat Obama are the boring ones who nobody will like.
 
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Americans usually vote for the incumbent for president if a crappy opposition is put up. Frankly, at this point, the only viable republicans who could beat Obama are the boring ones who nobody will like.


Long time between now and Iowa, or NH. I'd say the safe bet is to wait and see.

j-mac
 
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