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How exactly does stripping public employee unions of bargaining rights create private sector jobs?
Public unions don't create jobs, the need for state services does create jobs though.
It doesn't create jobs. If Walker ran for governor on this issue, he likely wouldn't have been elected. He's a snake in the grass. The week after taking office he had the legislature ram this under the false premise it was all about the budget. It isn't Gov. Walker is hoping to be seen as the next Reagan.
 
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Right, bea.gov, bls.gov, U.S. Treasury data are projections in the liberal world but blog sites are factual? No wonder liberalism has no credibility.
Is another one of your data dumps on the horizon??? :lamo
 
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Is another one of your data dumps on the horizon??? :lamo

Why is it that liberals are afraid of data from verifiable, non partisan sites? Hmmm
 
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Why is it that liberals are afraid of data from verifiable, non partisan sites? Hmmm

Why did you turn down a chance for a controlled debate?
 
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Why did you turn down a chance for a controlled debate?

I have been in this forum for a long, long time and know Donc quite well. He has no interest in honest debate and my time is worth a lot more than wasting it on him. He has yet to prove worthy of spending any more time with him, do a research of his posts and get back to me.
 
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Raw data isn't the issue at all, it is what it is, 15 million unemployed Americans today regardless of how you spin it. Worst job loss on record AT the time is irrelevant to what we have today. Bush never had 15 million unemployed Americans and 2 million fewer employed two years after taking office. Bush Job creation was a NET JOB gain, not a net job loss like we have right now. So spin the spin, for that is what you do.
 
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Here is what your article ignores and why it lacks credibility, from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Employment Numbers

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2001 137778 137612 137783 137299 137092 136873 137071 136241 136846 136392 136238 136047
2009 142221 141687 140854 140902 140438 140038 139817 139433 138768 138242 138381 137792
2010 138333 138641 138905 139455 139420 139119 138960 139250 139391 139061 138888 139206
2011 139323 139573

Now what your article fails to point out is that when Bush took office there were 137.8 million people employed and when he left it was 142.2 million or a net increase in jobs.

Obama takes office with 142.2 million employed and today that is 139.3 million. Why don't you tell BLS that they got the data wrong because your article claims 3 million jobs created when the reality is 4.4 million net jobs created as the employment numbers show.
 
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I have been in this forum for a long, long time and know Donc quite well. He has no interest in honest debate and my time is worth a lot more than wasting it on him. He has yet to prove worthy of spending any more time with him, do a research of his posts and get back to me.
cut the bs...you are afraid.
 
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Spent 35 years in the business world and negotiate contracts with large unions. Those large unions are bloated with a management team more concerned about their own jobs than the jobs of others. Unions have outlived their usefulness and are simply in place today to keep people dependent.

Does it really matter what personal experience I post? Some here will believe it while others won't. Anyone that truly believes unions reward performance is out of touch with reality as unions keep the good employees down and always will.

What large unions did you negotiant with?
 
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Right, bea.gov, bls.gov, U.S. Treasury data are projections in the liberal world but blog sites are factual? No wonder liberalism has no credibility.

I KNEW IT!!! a whole friggen thread without hitting the “bea.gov, bls.gov” hot key? Impossible. :lamo
 
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Spent 35 years in the business world and negotiate contracts with large unions. Those large unions are bloated with a management team more concerned about their own jobs than the jobs of others. Unions have outlived their usefulness and are simply in place today to keep people dependent.

Does it really matter what personal experience I post? Some here will believe it while others won't. Anyone that truly believes unions reward performance is out of touch with reality as unions keep the good employees down and always will.
in your 'experience' supposedly negotiating contracts with unions whom you claim have 'bloated' with management more concerned with their jobs than anything else...let me ask, were you never concerned for your job...???? perhaps you were a member of 'bloated' company management? and no, not many care what your 'experience' was, how many years you supposedly spent in the business world, or how many 'contracts' you supposedly negoitated...you seem to think that your supposed 'experience' trumps anything anyone else has to say...it doesnt, in case you havent figured that out.
 
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I KNEW IT!!! a whole friggen thread without hitting the “bea.gov, bls.gov” hot key? Impossible. :lamo

If no one ever mentions "bls.gov" in my life ever again, I will be a happy person.
 
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I have been in this forum for a long, long time and know Donc quite well. He has no interest in honest debate and my time is worth a lot more than wasting it on him. He has yet to prove worthy of spending any more time with him, do a research of his posts and get back to me.


I’m sHoCked, SHeCkED, I tell ya…Sob, Weep, shredding of cloth. :mrgreen:

Now if someone will be so kind as to quote me so mister integrity will be able to see my response in case he has me on ignore.:2wave: i see you.
 
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If no one ever mentions "bls.gov" in my life ever again, I will be a happy person.

Exactly, liberals don't like the facts unless they support your position. Clinton had no problem claiming BLS data when jobs were being created. Why is BLS data now not acceptable?
 
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Exactly, liberals don't like the facts unless they support your position. Clinton had no problem claiming BLS data when jobs were being created. Why is BLS data now not acceptable?
raw numbers are exactly that, raw...they mean nothing unless you understand the context in which they were generated....that is the problem people have with you using them, is that you don't understand how or why they are what they are.
 
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Exactly, liberals don't like the facts unless they support your position. Clinton had no problem claiming BLS data when jobs were being created. Why is BLS data now not acceptable?

I love facts. I have facts coming out of my ass I love them so much. The best way to refute people's arguments is to provide facts. Facts are great tool. I don't, however, like being bombarded with facts that do nothing to help or hurt anyone's arguments.
 
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Stop talking about other posters, and do start talking about the topic and just that, or you will be banned from this thread. There are several pages of personal attacks, and it ends here and now.
 
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raw numbers are exactly that, raw...they mean nothing unless you understand the context in which they were generated....that is the problem people have with you using them, is that you don't understand how or why they are what they are.

Right, 142.2 million employed in January 2009 vs 139.4 million employed today, put that into context? Why are they what they are? Hmmm, could it be that the Obama economic plan was and is a disaster?
 
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OCAW is the union I negotiated with.

Were you active in the PACE Health and Safety Awareness Training?
 
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Right, 142.2 million employed in January 2009 vs 139.4 million employed today, put that into context?
prime example right here of what you do...you just threw numbers out there...yes, i would like to see you put that into context, it would be refreshing.
 
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We spend 6.6 times as much as China, the next largest spender. (3/4)*6.6>1

That's your proof?
 
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Union workers public and private are the only working class <labor> in this country making a decent wage with some security. I submit union workers arent overpaid its private sector workers that are underpaid.
For the past 20 yrs private sector workers have been categorically raped by the fat cats and the corporations. They told them that they were taking their pensions and replacing it with something much better 401ks and that the would match the employees contribution, that lasted a minute and they whined they couldnt afford it, now most contribute nothing saving billions. If you think a 401k is better than a pension backed by law...ask the many thousands of retired and working enron and worldcom workers that lost everything.
 
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