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randel said:
lol...do you know how foolish you sound? again, speaking of things of which you have no knowledge, no background, and obviously no clue about.
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Right, another one line non responsse to the advice given. To try and fail is better than to never try at all. Good luck to you as you are going to need it.
 
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Conservative said:
Right, another one line non responsse to the advice given. To try and fail is better than to never try at all. Good luck to you as you are going to need it.
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dude, keep your advice, i don't need it, i'm doing just dandy.
 
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randel said:
dude, keep your advice, i don't need it, i'm doing just dandy.
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No problem, hope I am around when you finallly realize how foolish you have been.
 
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Conservative said:
No problem, hope I am around when you finallly realize how foolish you have been.
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making a good wage, have decent benefits, having a voice at my place of employment...yep, if that is foolish, i'm ok with that. wow, you demonizing someone making a decent living....amazing.
 
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randel said:
making a good wage, have decent benefits, having a voice at my place of employment...yep, if that is foolish, i'm ok with that. wow, you demonizing someone making a decent living....amazing.
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Your decent living today could be gone tomorrow but that is ok with you since you live for today and ignore tomorrow. One of these days you are going to wake up and realize those unions that you idolize have done absolutely nothing for you other than keep you down for their own personal gain. As stated, good luck, you are going to need it.
 
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Conservative said:
Your decent living today could be gone tomorrow but that is ok with you since you live for today and ignore tomorrow. One of these days you are going to wake up and realize those unions that you idolize have done absolutely nothing for you other than keep you down for their own personal gain. As stated, good luck, you are going to need it.
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again, speaking of things you have no clue about, no knowledge, no idea...you do know how foolish you sound, right?
 
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randel said:
again, speaking of things you have no clue about, no knowledge, no idea...you do know how foolish you sound, right?
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There are a lot of kids just like you, know it all who ignore sound advice only to wake up years later asking what happened and why didn't I listen? They woke up with age and realized that they didn't know it all and those giving the advice should have been heeded. To each their own, good luck. I tried. I have seen unions destroy people and there is a reason union participation has been dropping over the years. For that reason union leadership is fighting extra hard to get their relevance back, a battle they are losing as the results trump their rhetoric. Results matter and when Scott Walker generates the results you are going to see the rest of the union house of cards fall.
 
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Conservative said:
Your decent living today could be gone tomorrow but that is ok with you since you live for today and ignore tomorrow. One of these days you are going to wake up and realize those unions that you idolize have done absolutely nothing for you other than keep you down for their own personal gain. As stated, good luck, you are going to need it.
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Everybody's decent living could be gone tomorrow. Yours. Mine. Ours.

To say that unions have done nothing for their members other than keep them down is ridiculous. Maybe thirty years ago that was true. And I'm not even sure about then. Today? Nosomuch. Union shops pay very well; workers have a voice; they are rewarded probably beyond what they would be rewarded without their union. You have obviously never worked in a factory, Conservative, or you wouldn't think the way you do about unions.

While I agree with you that unions don't usually let the cream rise to the top and that exceptional workers will be sometimes held back by their union membership, the good far outweighs the bad.

If management negotiates in good faith (they don't always) -- if unions negotiates in good faith (they don't always) -- it's a win-win all 'round.

Private sector unions are a good thing. There are abuses everywhere. Unions get greedy. Workers get greedy. Management caves so the CEO can cash in on his stock options w/o a strike in the wind. But, in the end, the good outweighs the bad, in my opinion.
 
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Conservative said:
There are a lot of kids just like you, know it all who ignore sound advice only to wake up years later asking what happened and why didn't I listen? They woke up with age and realized that they didn't know it all and those giving the advice should have been heeded. To each their own, good luck. I tried. I have seen unions destroy people and there is a reason union participation has been dropping over the years. For that reason union leadership is fighting extra hard to get their relevance back, a battle they are losing as the results trump their rhetoric. Results matter and when Scott Walker generates the results you are going to see the rest of the union house of cards fall.
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When Walker gets recalled, other elected officials will take notice & act accordingly, which means save their own skins.
 
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The Preacher said:
When Walker gets recalled, other elected officials will take notice & act accordingly, which means save their own skins.
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I actually think the lesson has been learned on both sides regardless of what happens. Unions and management have probably (one would hope) learned that everybody's gotta' give somethin'.
 
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MaggieD said:
I actually think the lesson has been learned on both sides regardless of what happens. Unions and management have probably (one would hope) learned that everybody's gotta' give somethin'.
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Agreed. That's why it's called 'bargaining', not 'dictating'.
 
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The Preacher said:
When Walker gets recalled, other elected officials will take notice & act accordingly, which means save their own skins.
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If Walker gets the promised results he will not only NOT be recalled but will win the next election in a landslide. Wisconsin needs jobs and public unions don't provide any.
 
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MaggieD said:
Everybody's decent living could be gone tomorrow. Yours. Mine. Ours.

To say that unions have done nothing for their members other than keep them down is ridiculous. Maybe thirty years ago that was true. And I'm not even sure about then. Today? Nosomuch. Union shops pay very well; workers have a voice; they are rewarded probably beyond what they would be rewarded without their union. You have obviously never worked in a factory, Conservative, or you wouldn't think the way you do about unions.

While I agree with you that unions don't usually let the cream rise to the top and that exceptional workers will be sometimes held back by their union membership, the good far outweighs the bad.

If management negotiates in good faith (they don't always) -- if unions negotiates in good faith (they don't always) -- it's a win-win all 'round.

Private sector unions are a good thing. There are abuses everywhere. Unions get greedy. Workers get greedy. Management caves so the CEO can cash in on his stock options w/o a strike in the wind. But, in the end, the good outweighs the bad, in my opinion.
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I love you like a daughter but a lot of people that control their own destiny are doing quite well. I do agree that there are extremes on both sides I just have zero respect for the union thugs and management that demonizes profit and personal wealth creation. I always believed in the individual and have seen what unions have done to the individual thus have no respect for unions TODAY, not what they did in the past. Like all lliberal groups they go too far and the majority have awakened to that reality.

This thread is about public unions, not private unions, and that is where the focus should be. There are greedy corporate CEO's just like their are greedy union leaders. Is either greed good? At least with management stock options are results based. Good results mean the company produces and the employees remain employed. What does a private union offer to that scenerio?
 
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How exactly does stripping public employee unions of bargaining rights create private sector jobs?
Public unions don't create jobs, the need for state services does create jobs though.
 
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The Preacher said:
How exactly does stripping public employee unions of bargaining rights create private sector jobs?
Public unions don't create jobs, the need for state services does create jobs though.
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Makes the cost of doing business in Wisconsin a lot cheaper. As for the need for state services, who decides what that need is, you?
 
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Conservative said:
I love you like a daughter but a lot of people that control their own destiny are doing quite well. I do agree that there are extremes on both sides I just have zero respect for the union thugs and management that demonizes profit and personal wealth creation. I always believed in the individual and have seen what unions have done to the individual thus have no respect for unions TODAY, not what they did in the past. Like all lliberal groups they go too far and the majority have awakened to that reality.

This thread is about public unions, not private unions, and that is where the focus should be. There are greedy corporate CEO's just like their are greedy union leaders. Is either greed good? At least with management stock options are results based. Good results mean the company produces and the employees remain employed. What does a private union offer to that scenerio?
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Comparing greedy CEOs and greedy union leaders is a faulty comparison. Here is the proper analogy -- Greedy CEOS:private Unions::Greedy Government:public Unions. Workers form both types of unions in order to have an organized means of bargaining with their employers in order to protect themselves from working long days under bad conditions with low wages; both types of unions can become corrupt just like ANY institution run by human beings can.

There are obviously examples of unions who have not helped their members and you often hear union members complain about their unions (even members who wouldn't opt out of a union if given the choice). However, your generalization of the institution based on a few people whose lives have been ruined by unions (I would actually like you to tell these stories because it sounds a little dramatic) shows that you have only examined unions from one perspective and not the entirety of them.
 
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Conservative said:
Makes the cost of doing business in Wisconsin a lot cheaper. As for the need for state services, who decides what that need is, you?
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How does it make the cost of doing business cheaper?
The people dictate the need for state services as a collective.
 
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The Preacher said:
How does it make the cost of doing business cheaper?
The people dictate the need for state services as a collective.
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Read the entire thread topic as this has been discussed and explained. All you are doing is starting over again.
 
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iamitter said:
Well, we spend 43% of the world's total. It's still pretty significant.
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That's just 7% away from spending as much as the rest of the world combined. . .;)
 
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theplaydrive said:
Comparing greedy CEOs and greedy union leaders is a faulty comparison. Here is the proper analogy -- Greedy CEOS:private Unions::Greedy Government:public Unions. Workers form both types of unions in order to have an organized means of bargaining with their employers in order to protect themselves from working long days under bad conditions with low wages; both types of unions can become corrupt just like ANY institution run by human beings can.

There are obviously examples of unions who have not helped their members and you often hear union members complain about their unions (even members who wouldn't opt out of a union if given the choice). However, your generalization of the institution based on a few people whose lives have been ruined by unions (I would actually like you to tell these stories because it sounds a little dramatic) shows that you have only examined unions from one perspective and not the entirety of them.
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Spent 35 years in the business world and negotiate contracts with large unions. Those large unions are bloated with a management team more concerned about their own jobs than the jobs of others. Unions have outlived their usefulness and are simply in place today to keep people dependent.

Does it really matter what personal experience I post? Some here will believe it while others won't. Anyone that truly believes unions reward performance is out of touch with reality as unions keep the good employees down and always will.
 
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cpwill said:
PBraur; the unions in this instance absolutely did have money withheld from paychecks for their dues. such a measure is designed to hide the cost of the dues and lessen their emotional impact. that's why, for example, we tax in that method.
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Do you really believe this? Do you believe that people don't look at their deductions? You don't think payroll deductions could be for convenience? When I worked and had a mortgage and car payment, I signed up for payroll deduction, my money was sent directly to my credit union. Convenience. Efficiency.
 
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The Preacher said:
How exactly does stripping public employee unions of bargaining rights create private sector jobs?
Public unions don't create jobs, the need for state services does create jobs though.
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The cost to the Wisconsin taxpayers are lower if the state doesn't have to pay higher than private sector benefits and that is a cost passed on to employers through higher taxes.
 
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BWG said:
Do you really believe this? Do you believe that people don't look at their deductions? You don't think payroll deductions could be for convenience? When I worked and had a mortgage and car payment, I signed up for payroll deduction, my money was sent directly to my credit union. Convenience. Efficiency.
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People do look at it as a deduction and accept it as such. The point is if they wrote a check their attitude would be different, the same holds true of taxes. People should be required to write a check each month for their taxes just to realize how much is being taken out.
 
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Conservative said:
Catawba makes up so many different things it is hard to tell whether it is ignorance or a lie.
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:lamo That perfectly describes your posts. Projection.
 
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pbrauer said:
:lamo That perfectly describes your posts. Projection.
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Right, bea.gov, bls.gov, U.S. Treasury data are projections in the liberal world but blog sites are factual? No wonder liberalism has no credibility.
 
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