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Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights withou

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Catawba said:
In your youth, we had a progressive tax system that paid the bills and did not penalize the middle class and reward the wealthy. BTW, no one is demonizing the rich, we are demonizing the slashing of this country's progressive tax system.
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You don't have a clue as usual, define progressive, how much tax should those evil righ people pay since obviously 38% of the entire tax revenue isn't enough for you?

The top 1% of wage earners make 20% of all income and pay 38% of all taxes.
The top 5% of wage earners make 34.7% of all income and pay 58.7% of all taxes.
The top 10% of wage earners make 45.8% of all income and pay 69.9% of all taxes.

The bottom 50% make 12.8% of all income and pay 2.7% of all taxes.

Currently approximately 47% of all Americans pay nothing and actually get money back making their tax rate negative.
 
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Barbbtx said:
Hope you aren't talking about me here. When it comes to money, I'm about as poor as a church mouse.

Where would be without the rich?
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Probably with a good economy, the rich have taken their tax cuts and gambled away our future on Wall Street with phony derivatives. The rich have also sold out America and are sending American jobs to China, India, etc. I think America could do quite well without the rich.
 
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pbrauer said:
Probably with a good economy, the rich have taken their tax cuts and gambled away our future on Wall Street with phony derivatives. The rich have also sold out America and are sending American jobs to China, India, etc. I think America could do quite well without the rich.
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Project much? How do you know what the rich do with their money or their tax cuts?
 
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Ikari said:
It was more of a generalized use of "you". Sorry.

Where would we be without the rich? Where we are now. There's always going to be rich people, it's fine. But being rich doesn't make you special. You're (and again, this is generalized use of "you") just rich, you can buy more stuff have nicer things; but you're still replaceable.
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Who gets to put food on their table when rich people buy nice things, take nice vacations, eat in fine restaurants etc. ?
 
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Ikari said:
It would most certainly help if we clarified our tax structure, we could move to something different too if it behooves us to do so. As it stands, income should be income and there shouldn't be alternate definitions of income to get into a smaller tax bracket.
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And everyone with income should pay taxes.
 
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Conservative said:
Project much? How do you know what the rich do with their money or their tax cuts?
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It was the middle class buying all those worthless phony derivatives that brought the economy to its knees....
 
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pbrauer said:
It was the middle class buying all those worthless phony derivatives that brought the economy to its knees....
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Derivatives alone didn't create the problem, how about people buying homes they couldn't afford? Never anyone else's fault but the rich, right?
 
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Conservative said:
Derivatives alone didn't create the problem, how about people buying homes they couldn't afford? Never anyone else's fault but the rich, right?
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How about the government forcing banks to give loans to people who couldn't afford them?
Then putting Frank and Dodd (two that caused it) in charge of fixing it.
 
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Barbbtx said:
How about the government forcing banks to give loans to people who couldn't afford them?
Then putting Frank and Dodd (two that caused it) in charge of fixing it.
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now, now, we don't want to confuse anyone here those kind of issues. Remember Franks and Dodd are for the "little people."
 
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pbrauer said:
The rich have also sold out America and are sending American jobs to China, India, etc. I think America could do quite well without the rich.
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You're not well, are you.

I'd ask you if you realize the reason jobs go overseas is not because the rich feel like ****ing America, but that it's the oppressive corporate taxes that force moves like that. I would ask, but you're just not capable of understanding something that basic.
 
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Conservative said:
Do care about the rates or the amount collected? You do know there is a difference, right? Back when those high rates what were the deductions vs. now?
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What's the matter, Catawba, having a problem answering the questions?
 
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Conservative said:
Do care about the rates or the amount collected? You do know there is a difference, right? Back when those high rates what were the deductions vs. now?
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I care about both. The deductions were increased as well. We are giving away more than a trillion dollars every decade in our tax cuts to the wealthy since 1981. If we still had the progressive tax system we would have trillions less in national debt.
 
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Barbbtx said:
Who gets to put food on their table when rich people buy nice things, take nice vacations, eat in fine restaurants etc. ?
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A small portion of people who happen to work in the often out of country resorts these people go to and those whom cater to the rich in terms of restaurants and such.
 
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Barbbtx said:
And everyone with income should pay taxes.
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That's fine, but there's certainly wouldn't be designations such as capital gains. All income would be taxed. And there would be no tax shelters.
 
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Catawba said:
I care about both. The deductions were increased as well. We are giving away more than a trillion dollars every decade in our tax cuts to the wealthy since 1981. If we still had the progressive tax system we would have trillions less in national debt.
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I believe we went through that yesterday but you ignored the question again, do you realize those were projections and not actual dollars? How is allowing someone to keep more of what they earn an expense to the govt? You really are naive or is this an act? I posted how much the rich pay of the tax revenue, how much should they pay since the top 10% pay 70% of all tax revenue? Where is your outrage against the 47% that don't pay any federal income taxes?
 
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Whovian said:
You're not well, are you.

I'd ask you if you realize the reason jobs go overseas is not because the rich feel like ****ing America, but that it's the oppressive corporate taxes that force moves like that. I would ask, but you're just not capable of understanding something that basic.
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I don't see that as a problem, all costs are just passed on the the consumer.

Adam Smith, the author of Weath Of Nations (1776), is considered the father of modern capitalism, do you think he would favor moving the manufacturing base off shore to escape taxes?????
 
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Ikari said:
That's fine, but there's certainly wouldn't be designations such as capital gains. All income would be taxed. And there would be no tax shelters.
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I'm not an economist, but I think I could agree to no tax shelters. Also, all income only taxed once so no death taxes.
 
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Barbbtx said:
I'm not an economist, but I think I could agree to no tax shelters. Also, all income only taxed once so no death taxes.
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Yeah, that's probably ok. Though personally, I hate Paris Hilton, which is good argument for death taxes. heheh.
 
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Conservative said:
I believe we went through that yesterday but you ignored the question again, do you realize those were projections and not actual dollars?
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Yes, I pointed out to you the projections underestimated the amount by $50 billion a year. Our tax cuts to the wealthy average about $150 billion a year.


How is allowing someone to keep more of what they earn an expense to the govt?
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If we all lived in Shangrala, I guess taxes wouldn't be necessary. However, not paying our bills has created an unmanagable national debt.

You really are naive or is this an act? I posted how much the rich pay of the tax revenue, how much should they pay since the top 10% pay 70% of all tax revenue? Where is your outrage against the 47% that don't pay any federal income taxes?
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Half the country has no money left over after survival needs. I thought Reaganomics was going to float everyone's boat. It appears to have left half the country high and dry? Please describe your proposed plan to get more blood from a turnip?
 
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Sgt Meowenstein said:
So, paying one's fair share to you means taking away a few thousand in tax credits that greatly benefit poor working families while continuing to give people who earn over a million a $93k tax credit. Got it. Thanks for showing how "fair" the right can be.
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The left's idea of fair share is equal to infinity. But nevertheless, your idea of stealing from the rich to give to the poor (or in other words taking from those who create wealth and giving to those that don't), is great in story books like Robin Hood.
 
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Catawba;1059355839]Yes, I pointed out to you the projections underestimated the amount by $50 billion a year. Our tax cuts to the wealthy average about $150 billion a year.
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Cannot help but notice that not once have you questioned the amount being spent by this govt. as if it is all necessary and second not one word on what those evil rich people did with those tax dollars that they saved and if that had any affect on the economy including jobs?


If we all lived in Shangrala, I guess taxes wouldn't be necessary. However, not paying our bills has created an unmanagable national debt.
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Again, no discussion on how the money the govt. gets is spent but only about the govt. not getting enough. You don't have a problem with the amount spent?



Half the country has no money left over after survival needs. I thought Reaganomics was going to float everyone's boat. It appears to have left half the country high and dry? Please describe your proposed plan to get more blood from a turnip
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You seem to be an expert on what the 47% that don't pay income taxes have in terms of expenses. What makes you an expert? I will be happy to answer your other question when you tell me exactly how much the rich should be paying in Federal Income taxes since 38% of all tax revenue comes from them now and that excludes state and local taxes?
 
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Conservative said:
Cannot help but notice that not once have you questioned the amount being spent by this govt. as if it is all necessary and second not one word on what those evil rich people did with those tax dollars that they saved and if that had any affect on the economy including jobs?
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Then you haven't been paying attention. We need to cut our spending as well, we spend way to much and we have way too little income since we slashed the progressive tax rate in this country. I'll say it again we need both spending cuts and to eliminate the tax cuts to the wealthy if we are ever going to dig our way out of the hole we are in.
History has shown us that the tax cuts to the rich did not result in new jobs in this country. Every tax cut produced a short-term bubble followed by a recession, this last one almost a Great Depression, all while the middle class continues to decline.

You seem to be an expert on what the 47% that don't pay income taxes have in terms of expenses. What makes you an expert?
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No expert, I just don't hide from the statistics.
 
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