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Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights withou

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Catawba said:
If your goal is get America's ratio of poor people higher than the 2009 one in seven, that would be the course you would take.
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No our goal is to get you liberals to at least be honest in your arguments....Won't happen though.


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j-mac said:
You have no idea what you are talking about. the Poverty rate, although some fluctuation over the decades, stays around 12% regardless of what you do. Oh, And what do you mean by "the Super Rich"? Is this where you start using Michael Moore's talking points instead of Daily KOS?
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You have an exceedingly short memory, don't you?

1 in 7 poor in 2009


Yep, spending is a part of the reduction picture.....Tell me today who is more serious about that when you have repubs proposing $61 Billlion, and demo's saying $4 billion?
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Talk is cheap look at the actual record over the last 30 years. They never walk the walk and we just get deeper in debt.


So have you brother. Unless you are saying that it is up to someone else to pay it and not you too. In which case I would only say, "See..."
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Yes, see that it is the middle class that suffers for the tax cuts to the super rich and the wasteful spending. That is what I am saying.



I am going to assume that you are talking about the country's 400 Billionair's. If that is what you are saying, then let clue you in. If you took every penny that those billionair's had, it would add up to around a Trillion dollars. That is Obama's deficit this year alone, and not even all of it. Now get real
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Those that make over $1 million get $93,000 tax cut on average every year, Add that up over the last 30 years and apply to our debt and it is cut substantially.
 
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Catawba said:
If your goal is get America's ratio of poor people higher than the 2009 one in seven, that would be the course you would take.
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I'm kinda betting that you're trying to bring everyone down to the poverty level. Anybody that can't give up a couple hundred bucks a year, to the government, is probably already on welfare, anyway.
 
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Catawba said:
You have an exceedingly short memory, don't you?

1 in 7 poor in 2009




Talk is cheap look at the actual record over the last 30 years. They never walk the walk and we just get deeper in debt.




Yes, see that it is the middle class that suffers for the tax cuts to the super rich and the wasteful spending. That is what I am saying.



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Those that make over $1 million get $93,000 tax cut on average every year, Add that up over the last 30 years and apply to our debt and it is cut substantially.
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So, that 11 trillion we spent on the war on poverty didn't do jack ****??
 
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apdst said:
So, that 11 trillion we spent on the war on poverty didn't do jack ****??
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If you call keeping millions of starving people from slitting your throat for a loaf of bread, jack ****, then yep.

What did the 9.2 trillion we've given the rich over the last 30 years do for us?
 
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Catawba said:
Tax the super rich as we used to, it had no effect on our ability to produce, just less profits for the super rich, which tend to go into overseas savings or investments, that in addition to cutting our wasteful spending .

Its foolish to think we can ever get our debt reduced otherwise.
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We seem to forget that rich people are mobile. They can easily move from a high tax state and they can easily leave the country too.


Maryland Politicians Crash on the Laffer Curve « International Liberty

A Bank of America Merrill Lynch analysis of federal tax return data on people who migrated from one state to another found that Maryland lost $1 billion of its net tax base in 2008 by residents moving to other states. …Thanks in part to its soak-the-rich theology, Maryland still has a $2 billion deficit… The state’s best hope is that politicians in other states are as self-destructive as those in Annapolis
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Conservative said:
Shareholders have a choice where to invest their money. I get a proxy statement on all my investments. You ought to try it some time and even if they don't it doesn't cost the taxpayers a dime
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And when big business gets tax payer subsidies and donates millions to Republicans and Republican-friendly organizations - like the US Chamber of Commerce, who gave 90% of their political donations to Republicans - you think that's ok?
 
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Catawba said:
Yes, see that it is the middle class that suffers for the tax cuts to the super rich and the wasteful spending. That is what I am saying.
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you sure are

LOL!

you musta said it a thousand times

you could replaced with a tape recorder

problem is you're all alone

Obama Calls Tax Cuts the 'Right Thing to Do'

At Obama's side, Clinton backs tax deal - Politics - White House - msnbc.com
 
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Catawba said:
Those that make over $1 million get $93,000 tax cut on average every year, Add that up over the last 30 years and apply to our debt and it is cut substantially.
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How is it cut substantially? For the current budget year, it represents almost nothing. Had you raised taxes on the rich, Obama's 1.5 trillion dollar deficit would have at best been reduced to 1.47 trillion (only in la la land where you assume there is zero economic benefit to the cut) - and at worst actually increased the deficit due to an added drain on the economy.
 
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Barbbtx said:
We seem to forget that rich people are mobile. They can easily move from a high tax state and they can easily leave the country too.
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May as well, they aren't helping anything here.


Maryland Politicians Crash on the Laffer Curve « International Liberty

Hey, I have an idea. Why don't we cut education funding so we have more taxpayer money to lure industry to our state?

Or, how about we use taxpayer money to provide educated and skilled workers to attract industry? Nah, that's a socialistic pipe dream isn't it?
 
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get out of here, leave!

another winning slogan from the class hate junta
 
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Taylor said:
How is it cut substantially? For the current budget year, it represents almost nothing. Had you raised taxes on the rich, Obama's 1.5 trillion dollar deficit would have at best been reduced to 1.47 trillion (only in la la land where you assume there is zero economic benefit to the cut) - and at worst actually increased the deficit due to an added drain on the economy.
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LOL! 30 years and you are still waiting on your trickle? There is no benefit, except to further build the offshore savings of the wealthy. One only has to look at the last 3 decades to see that since Reaganomics, our economy has declined and our debt has increased.
 
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donc said:
I already did in post #998, I know it’s a hard but try and keep up. By the way, what do you have against people that work for their money spending it the way they choose to spend it?
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No, you didn't explain mandatory unions that are in Wisconsin and unions forcing people to pay dues out of taxpayer funded wages. Why do you support someone else telling union employees how to spend their money. Forced unions is something that is indefensible.
 
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Sgt Meowenstein said:
And when big business gets tax payer subsidies and donates millions to Republicans and Republican-friendly organizations - like the US Chamber of Commerce, who gave 90% of their political donations to Republicans - you think that's ok?
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Sorry, but tax subsidies aren't funded by the taxpayers, they are a reduction in taxes that businesses earn. Where did you go to school? You really don't understand taxes at all.
 
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Catawba said:
If you call keeping millions of starving people from slitting your throat for a loaf of bread, jack ****, then yep.

What did the 9.2 trillion we've given the rich over the last 30 years do for us?
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Now, youo're just being mello-dramatic. :rofl
 
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apdst said:
Now, youo're just being mello-dramatic. :rofl
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Well just keep waiting on your trickle then, its only been 30 years, I'm sure it will be along soon! :sun
 
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Conservative said:
Sorry, but tax subsidies aren't funded by the taxpayers, they are a reduction in taxes that businesses earn. Where did you go to school? You really don't understand taxes at all.
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I understand what tax-payer subsidies are. That's not the point. Where did you go to school? You really are good at deflecting. You're also one of the most hypocritical righties that I've ever had the misfortune of dealing with. But, hey, whatever. If it helps you get to sleep at night by talking out of both sides of your mouth and ignoring evidence that points out your hypocrisy, then sleep well, I guess.
 
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Sgt Meowenstein said:
I understand what tax-payer subsidies are.
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You do now that Conservative informed you, because you did make a mistake in saying:

Sgt Meowenstein said:
And when big business gets tax payer subsidies...
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Just sayin'.
 
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Sgt Meowenstein said:
I understand what tax-payer subsidies are. That's not the point. Where did you go to school? You really are good at deflecting. You're also one of the most hypocritical righties that I've ever had the misfortune of dealing with. But, hey, whatever. If it helps you get to sleep at night by talking out of both sides of your mouth and ignoring evidence that points out your hypocrisy, then sleep well, I guess.
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If you know what tax subsidies are then you sure haven't shown it. It isn't taxpayer funded, it is a taxpayer keeping more of what they earned by doing certain things required by the govt. No tax subsidy is an expense to the govt. which has been explained to you over and over. Still it doesn't sink in.
 
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Ockham said:
You do now that Conservative informed you, because you did make a mistake in saying:



Just sayin'.
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Boopidy bopidy boop...just sayin...
 
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Sgt Meowenstein said:
Boopidy bopidy boop...just sayin...
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Or... you could just say you made a mistake and move on. Either way is cool with me.
 
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Conservative said:
If you know what tax subsidies are then you sure haven't shown it. It isn't taxpayer funded, it is a taxpayer keeping more of what they earned by doing certain things required by the govt. No tax subsidy is an expense to the govt. which has been explained to you over and over. Still it doesn't sink in.
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You can explain things all you want. I really don't care. Your take is the conservative take on tax breaks. Not the liberal take. Just because you believe that tax breaks don't hurt the economy, and aren't a form of corporate welfare, doesn't make it so.
 
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Ockham said:
Or... you could just say you made a mistake and move on. Either way is cool with me.
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I didn't make a mistake. You can accept that or not. I really couldn't give a flying **** what you think.
 
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Sgt Meowenstein said:
I didn't make a mistake. You can accept that or not. I really couldn't give a flying **** what you think.
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Obviously you do or you wouldn't bother responding with your little insult. Let me help explain it further: A tax subsidy actually has the government relieving the normal revenue that would be collected. This has no real cost associated with it as these costs are really tax expenditures. This allows, as was previously pointed out, more money to be kept for the purposes of economic growth. Tax subsidies (of course these are not taxpayer funded) increase returns by cutting the cost of having to tax - this can be done a few different ways. Tax credits, changing the tax rate, or changing what is and is not taxed.

The end result is the person, corporation or whomever as they have higher profits, higher wages or lower prices for goods and services. As you can see, the taxpayer doesn't fund anything. Hopefully you can use this information in the future to not make the same mistake again.
 
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