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I can guarantee that the lady involved Union dues wasn't used for political purpose.It is a separate PAC and the money donated to the PAC is on a voluntarily basis.

Really, then how do you explain this?

Buck wrote My wife belong to a union, and would fall under this category. To opt out of a portion of the dues (the portion used for political contributions) you have to write a letter (has to be handwritten) to request the necessary form. She's written two letters to request the necessary documents and both were ignored. I have a feeling this is probably on purpose.

Apparently you have to opt out and it's not an easy process.
 
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Please tell me did she quit her position in protest?


She's probably the type of teacher who wouldn't let her students down that easily. I also bet she didn't skip school to protest either.
Here's part of her letter to the editor. Hopefully her husband and others like him can stop this crap of using their money to support politicians they don't support.
Attack ads a new low, even for the OEA - MariettaTimes.com | News, Sports, Jobs, Ohio, Community Information - The Marietta Times
Teachers should be free to spend their hard-earned dollars to contribute to the candidates and causes they actually support. The OEA and its parent organization, the NEA, refuse to acquiesce because they have an obvious agenda. After all, as the general counsel for the NEA once said in federal court, "if you take away payroll deduction, you won't collect a penny from these people, and it has nothing to do with voluntary or involuntary. I think it has to do with the nature of the beast, and the beasts who are our teachers ... (They) simply don't come up with the money regardless of the purpose." Teachers, this is what your union thinks of you.
Andy will support a paycheck protection law that prevents teachers' union dues from being used for political propaganda without written permission. The Ohio legislature passed this legislation twice before but the previously liberal Ohio Supreme Court overturned the will of the people. I am hopeful that Andy and a newly elected Conservative majority in the Ohio House can protect the rights of teachers in this state to keep their money from funding the political agenda of any organization without their approval.
Jade Thompson
 
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what you advocate is like that restaurant owner in ohio tried to pull before the last elections...put that little note with the paycheck kinda hinting at who they should vote for if they wanted to keep their jobs....no conservative, it is wages earned, these workers provide a service for the tax payers, of which they also are. ....without them, government doesnt function. what they earn is their own, and regardless of the source, is theirs to spend as they please...drop your bs argument, you have no right telling anyone that because they work for 'A', that they can't spend their money on 'B'. seriously, who the hell do you think you are to dictate terms to people on how they can spend their income?

You're failing to address the fact that the Union workers don't always have their dues spent the way they would like them spent. Would you like your dues to go to ...let's say....Sarah Palin's campaign? Or an attack ad on Obama?
 
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The New Tax Deal: Reaganomics Redux

"More than thirty years ago, Ronald Reagan came to Washington intent on reducing taxes on the wealthy and shrinking every aspect of government except defense.

The new tax deal embodies the essence of Reaganomics.

It will not stimulate the economy.

A disproportionate share of the $858 billion deal will go to people in the top 1 percent who spend only a fraction of what they earn and save the rest. Their savings are sent around the world to wherever they will earn the highest return.

The only practical effect of adding $858 billion to the deficit will be to put more pressure on Democrats to reduce non-defense spending of all sorts, including Social Security and Medicare, as well as education and infrastructure.

It is nothing short of Ronald Reagan's (and David Stockman's) notorious "starve the beast" strategy.

In 2012, an election year, when congressional Democrats have less power than they do now, the pressure to extend the Bush tax cuts further will be overwhelming.

Worse yet, the deal adds to the underlying structural problem that caused the Great Recession in the first place.

Since Ronald Reagan was president, median hourly wages have barely budged, and America's vast working and middle classes have taken home a steadily smaller share of the nation's income (adjusted for inflation). The typical male worker today is earning less than the typical male worker thirty years ago.

Yet the richest 1 percent of Americans is now taking home a larger percentage of the nation's income than at any time since 1928. And we recall what happened in 1929.

Unless the vast majority of Americans has enough purchasing power to keep the economy going without going ever more deeply into debt, the economy will eventually go over a cliff.

That's what happened. By the late 1990s the middle and working classes could keep spending -- and thereby keep the economy moving -- only by adding debt. This strategy ended when the housing bubble burst in 2007.

Without their spending, there can be no buoyant recovery.

Yes, the pending tax bill will give America's middle and working classes slightly more cash next year. But only for one year. They won't spend it. They'll use it to help pay down their debts.

Will lower taxes on the rich spur them to create more jobs? Not a chance. Since 1980, Reagan's supply-siders have said lower taxes on the rich will trickle down to everyone else. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Look at history.

During the almost three decade spanning 1951 to 1980, when the top rate was between 70 and 92 percent, the average annual growth in the American economy was 3.7 percent.

Between 1983 and the start of the Great Recession, when the top rate ranged between 35 percent and 39 percent, average growth was 3 percent.

Supply-siders are also fond of claiming that Ronald Reagan's 1981 tax cuts caused the 1980s economic boom. There is no evidence to support this claim. In fact, that boom followed Regan's 1982 tax increase. The 1990s boom likewise was not the result of a tax cut; most of it followed Bill Clinton's 1993 tax increase.

Nor did George W. Bush's tax cuts trickle down. Between 2002 and 2007 the median wage actually dropped. And Bush's record of job creation was pathetic relative to Bill Clinton's, when taxes were higher. Under Clinton, America added 22 million net new jobs. Under Bush, barely 8 million.

So why are Democrats voting for Reaganomics?

They say they have no choice -- either vote for this or watch taxes rise on everyone starting January 1.

That Democrats have allowed themselves to get into this fix is a testament to either their timidity, obtuseness, or dependence on the campaign contributions of those at the top."

Robert Reich: The New Tax Deal: Reaganomics Redux

So, what should have been done? Give tax cuts to people who don't even pay taxes, to begin with?
 
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And Obama is responsible for nearly half of that debt in his two short years...Good Job!


j-mac

The 2010 Census data is for the year 2009, when 1 in 7 were poor. Most of the debt came from 3 decades of Reaganomics.
 
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So, what should have been done? Give tax cuts to people who don't even pay taxes, to begin with?

"A disproportionate share of the $858 billion deal will go to people in the top 1 percent who spend only a fraction of what they earn and save the rest."

It should be self-evident.
 
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You're failing to address the fact that the Union workers don't always have their dues spent the way they would like them spent. Would you like your dues to go to ...let's say....Sarah Palin's campaign? Or an attack ad on Obama?

That's an issue for union members to discuss. Unions act in the interest of their members, members can organize against and change the leaders of their unions if they aren't doing this.

And the reason it's not a good idea to make joining unions a choice is because when unions negotiate better pay, benefits and work environments, those who didn't pay dues or who didn't protest/plan will benefit from it without having worked for it.
 
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"A disproportionate share of the $858 billion deal will go to people in the top 1 percent who spend only a fraction of what they earn and save the rest."

It should be self-evident.

Ok, since we're not as smart as you are, hows about you explain it?
 
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That's an issue for union members to discuss. Unions act in the interest of their members, members can organize against and change the leaders of their unions if they aren't doing this.

And the reason it's not a good idea to make joining unions a choice is because when unions negotiate better pay, benefits and work environments, those who didn't pay dues or who didn't protest/plan will benefit from it without having worked for it.

That's what I think most of us expect happens; "unions act in the interest of their members" but reality is more what was posted earlier. Unions act in the interest of the union. I used to think unions were a great thing - the more I saw the less I liked and I finally gave up my stewardship and decided not to participate at all. I still had to give my dues as it was a closed shop, but I ignored the union as much as I could.
 
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I’ve not only explained in this thread how union dues is kept separate from other Union funds, but in another thread I provided you a link to a Teamster local near your abode as well, on the off chance that you just might want to kick into their DRIVE PAC.


By the way here is what DRIVE stands for “Democrat, Republican, Independent Voter Education”. We stuck in a big R just in case you might want to say that you gave to a Union bi-partisan go pac. :roll:

Here is the link…yet again. I also provide a link to DRIVE for the International Union, in case you want your bucks spread throughout the country for a good cause.

It’s a shame that you forgot the link to your home local the first time though, late onset sure is rough isn’t it…so sad. :(




http://www.teamsterslocal988.org/


DRIVE | International Brotherhood of Teamsters (IBT)

:lamo I wonder what party DRIVE will spend your money on?


Big Business spends big money in Washington to influence members of Congress and push their anti-worker plans. They outspend working families on politics by more than 15-1.
Through grassroots political action and aggressive lobbying on Capitol Hill and in State Houses and City Halls across America, Teamsters have stopped some of the worst attacks on working people.
But Big Business is pushing their agenda harder than ever. That means we have to fight back stronger than ever. And we have to move forward with our own programs, like improving job safety, fighting for affordable childcare, and stopping abuses by corporate health providers and insurance companies.
You can take a stand for working families by contributing to DRIVE – the Teamsters’ political action committee. Your contribution will support grassroots action by Teamster families to stand up to Big Business interests.
About DRIVE | International Brotherhood of Teamsters (IBT)
 
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The 2010 Census data is for the year 2009, when 1 in 7 were poor. Most of the debt came from 3 decades of Reaganomics.

Here, let's use a source you libs love so...The CBO...


President Obama’s fiscal 2011 budget will generate nearly $10 trillion in cumulative budget deficits over the next 10 years, $1.2 trillion more than the administration projected, and raise the federal debt to 90 percent of the nation’s economic output by 2020, the Congressional Budget Office reported Thursday.

In its 2011 budget, which the White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB) released Feb. 1, the administration projected a 10-year deficit total of $8.53 trillion. After looking it over, CBO said in its final analysis, released Thursday, that the president’s budget would generate a combined $9.75 trillion in deficits over the next decade.

“An additional $1.2 trillion in debt dumped on [GDP] to our children makes a huge difference,” said Brian Riedl, a budget analyst at the conservative Heritage Foundation. “That represents an additional debt of $10,000 per household above and beyond the federal debt they are already carrying."

CBO report: Debt will rise to 90% of GDP - Washington Times


Now I know you libs hate Reagan so much that you would just love to blame the guy, but the numbers show that to be a lie. I am shocked.


j-mac
 
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Ok, since we're not as smart as you are, hows about you explain it?

Since the majority of the $858 billion is going to the top 1 percent, its not going to you to help pay of your debts.
 
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Since the majority of the $858 billion is going to the top 1 percent, its not going to you to help pay of your debts.

That $858 billion isn't going to pay my debt, anyway.
 
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Since the majority of the $858 billion is going to the top 1 percent, its not going to you to help pay of your debts.

It should go there, maybe they'll create some jobs instead of blowing it on flat screens, and new dubs for the ride...;)


j-mac
 
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Here, let's use a source you libs love so...The CBO...





Now I know you libs hate Reagan so much that you would just love to blame the guy, but the numbers show that to be a lie. I am shocked.


j-mac

Yes, the tax giveaway to the top 1% is killing us. Obama and Congress are going to have to man up and end the tax breaks for the wealthiest (in addition to any spending cuts that can be agreed on) in order to reduce the debt.
 
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That $858 billion isn't going to pay my debt, anyway.

Over time it will. Look how much it has increased your national debt over the last 30 years!
 
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Over time it will.

No it won't!


Look how much it has increased your national debt over the last 30 years!

The $11 trillion+ that we've spent on the war on poverty didn't have anything to do with that? Is that right?

Maybe we should put more effort into not spending so much money on stupid **** and less effort in trying to screw American citizens out of their money, in the name of class warfare? Just saying.
 
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Yes, the tax giveaway to the top 1% is killing us. Obama and Congress are going to have to man up and end the tax breaks for the wealthiest (in addition to any spending cuts that can be agreed on) in order to reduce the debt.

You realize that businesses, both large and small, will see their taxes rise, too? How is that going to fix things?
 
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The $11 trillion+ that we've spent on the war on poverty didn't have anything to do with that? Is that right?

Reaganomics created more poverty. The tax cuts to the super rich just means more debt and taxes for you.

Maybe we should put more effort into not spending so much money on stupid **** and less effort in trying to screw American citizens out of their money, in the name of class warfare? Just saying.

How has that worked out during the last 30 years when we decided to cut our income and not cut spending by the same amount? And who has gotten stuck with the tab? You have. Just saying..........
 
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You realize that businesses, both large and small, will see their taxes rise, too? How is that going to fix things?

Tax the super rich as we used to, it had no effect on our ability to produce, just less profits for the super rich, which tend to go into overseas savings or investments, that in addition to cutting our wasteful spending .

Its foolish to think we can ever get our debt reduced otherwise.
 
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Reaganomics created more poverty. The tax cuts to the super rich just means more debt and taxes for you.

:lamo



How has that worked out during the last 30 years when we decided to cut our income and not cut spending by the same amount? And who has gotten stuck with the tab? You have. Just saying..........

Ask the Dems. They've been in charge for the better part of that time.
 
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Tax the super rich as we used to, it had no effect on our ability to produce, just less profits for the super rich, which tend to go into overseas savings or investments, that in addition to cutting our wasteful spending .

Its foolish to think we can ever get our debt reduced otherwise.

If we're going to do that, we should lower the earned income credit, as well. Yes? I mean, it's all about everyone paying their fair share, right?
 
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Reaganomics created more poverty. The tax cuts to the super rich just means more debt and taxes for you.


You have no idea what you are talking about. the Poverty rate, although some fluctuation over the decades, stays around 12% regardless of what you do. Oh, And what do you mean by "the Super Rich"? Is this where you start using Michael Moore's talking points instead of Daily KOS?


How has that worked out during the last 30 years when we decided to cut our income and not cut spending by the same amount?


Yep, spending is a part of the reduction picture.....Tell me today who is more serious about that when you have repubs proposing $61 Billlion, and demo's saying $4 billion?


And who has gotten stuck with the tab? You have. Just saying..........


So have you brother. Unless you are saying that it is up to someone else to pay it and not you too. In which case I would only say, "See..."

Tax the super rich as we used to, it had no effect on our ability to produce, just less profits for the super rich, which tend to go into overseas savings or investments, as well as cutting wasteful spending .

Its foolish to think we can ever get our debt reduced otherwise.

I am going to assume that you are talking about the country's 400 Billionair's. If that is what you are saying, then let clue you in. If you took every penny that those billionair's had, it would add up to around a Trillion dollars. That is Obama's deficit this year alone, and not even all of it. Now get real.


j-mac
 
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If we're going to do that, we should lower the earned income credit, as well. Yes? I mean, it's all about everyone paying their fair share, right?

If your goal is get America's ratio of poor people higher than the 2009 one in seven, that would be the course you would take.
 
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