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You work for payment from the taxpayers right? I get off making that statement because it is my opinion. If you truly cared about the people paying your salary you would be working to increase pay and benefits charged to those taxpayers. The fact is you don't care and keep your job by keeping others dependent on you boss.

Let me get this straight:

if I as a public employee really care about the taxpayer, I would work to increase my pay and benefits charged to those same taxpayers.

And coming from the mouth of a right wing conservative this makes sense ..... in what world?

But I admire your switch in thinking just the same.
 
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Except big corporations advertising on TV, radio, movie theaters, billboard, newspapers and magazines.

Advertisements don't tell you, they suggests. You have a right to ignore said advertisement.
 
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I don't have a debate teacher. I hate public speaking. I prefer writing.

Oh. Many people in this thread have proven it invalid; it's just that you're not accepting it. Let me repeat it: Teachers exchange labor for pay. You have no right to determine how to use that money.

So unions have the right but the taxpayer doesn't? We are talking forced unions in Wisconsin as that is what this thread is about.
 
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Really? So Union employees in Wisconsin aren't forced to pay union dues? Where do those dues come from?

Which is why I am with Gov. Walker in that particular battle.
 
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Let me get this straight:

if I as a public employee really care about the taxpayer, I would work to increase my pay and benefits charged to those same taxpayers.

And coming from the mouth of a right wing conservative this makes sense ..... in what world?

But I admire your switch in thinking just the same.

That is what happens when you don't proof read what you post, it should have said you wouldn't be working to increase costs
 
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answer the question, what gives an employer the right to tell someone how to spend their wages? what gives you that right?

Employers don't have that right but unions do! Explain why?
 
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Employers don't have that right but unions do! Explain why?
employers don't have that right? them having that right is what you have been advocating this thread!!! lol glad you have finally came to your senses
 
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So unions have the right but the taxpayer doesn't? We are talking forced unions in Wisconsin as that is what this thread is about.

I already said that I don't think people should be forced to join unions...
 
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That is what happens when you don't proof read what you post, it should have said you wouldn't be working to increase costs

that is what is called a Freudian slip.

You were right the first time Conservative.

Glad to see your brain functions properly at least once in a while. :peace
 
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Originally Posted by Catawba
Getting rid of unions has been the first step in preparation for fascist control in every instance in history that I've read about.

-chuckles- interesting .... but I could just as easily make this statement about the unions couldn't I

In short, we support every revolutionary movement against the existing social and political order of things. We disdain to conceal their views and aims. We openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at our revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win.

Workers of the world, unite!


Heck, you probably even agree with this .
 
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employers don't have that right? them having that right is what you have been advocating this thread!!! lol glad you have finally came to your senses

This thread is about unions and their rights plus who is funding those unions. You seem to be misguided as usual all in an effort to claim some sort of victory. Fact unions do tell people how to spend some of their money and that money is union dues which come from the taxpayers in the form of salary, get it yet?
 
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-chuckles- interesting .... but I could just as easily make this statement about the unions couldn't I

In short, we support every revolutionary movement against the existing social and political order of things. We disdain to conceal their views and aims. We openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at our revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win.

Workers of the world, unite!


Heck, you probably even agree with this .

Ever wonder why there is such passion on the part of some for unions. Some interesting facts on unions

1,500 of the cost of each car pays for health insurance.
For each car, more money is spent for health insurance than on steel for its construction.
Toyota has far lower health care costs in comparison to the UAW. While healthcare costs contributed to a combined loss of $15 billion for the ?Big Three,? Toyota posted a profit of $14 billion.

United Auto Workers (UAW)
 
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This thread is about unions and their rights plus who is funding those unions. You seem to be misguided as usual all in an effort to claim some sort of victory. Fact unions do tell people how to spend some of their money and that money is union dues which come from the taxpayers in the form of salary, get it yet?
do you get it yet? it is none of your business.
 
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do you get it yet? it is none of your business.

What makes it the right of union management? The employer has no rights but the union does? That is liberal logic.
 
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So unions have the right but the taxpayer doesn't? We are talking forced unions in Wisconsin as that is what this thread is about.

When has the taxpayer been asked where they agree or not with collective bargaining by the public unions? Gov. Walker didn't run his campaign on this issue, if he had he might have lost. He won the race by 5% so only 2 1/2 swing could make all the difference in the world. He most likely will face a recall election after January and the polls show a reversal from his victory. He may have won this battle, but he may lose the war. Stay tuned conservative.
 
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When has the taxpayer been asked where they agree or not with collective bargaining by the public unions? Gov. Walker didn't run his campaign on this issue, if he had he might have lost. He won the race by 5% so only 2 1/2 swing could make all the difference in the world. He most likely will face a recall election after January and the polls show a reversal from his victory. He may have won this battle, but he may lose the war. Stay tuned conservative.

Will do, let's see if the unions make Wisconsin default and break the state. You will then be so proud.
 
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do you get it yet? it is none of your business.

Before I wade in on this with you, seeing I haven't been making any of the arguments, I was to be clear where you are coming from.

First, seeing that to work in Wisconsin as a teacher, you “must” join the union, so you are for forcing people to be a union worker to work in their chosen profession in Wisconsin?

Next, do you agree or disagree that your employer should have some say in your wages and benefits ?
 
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Does that hold true of those corporations that the left seems to hate? How about public unions that live off the taxpayer dollars? You don't see a conflict of interest in public unions backing candidates that spend taxpayer dollars freely?

You don't see a problem with corporations giving money to the Chamber of Commerce, who then turn around and contribute 90% of that money to Republicans? You don't see a problem with corporations contributing unlimited amounts of money to politicians, enabling them to basically buy votes and influence laws? Since you have such a problem with unions contributing to political causes, shouldn't you feel the same way about corporations? Shareholders don't neccesarily have a say in where that money goes.
 
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You don't see a problem with corporations giving money to the Chamber of Commerce, who then turn around and contribute 90% of that money to Republicans? You don't see a problem with corporations contributing unlimited amounts of money to politicians, enabling them to basically buy votes and influence laws? Since you have such a problem with unions contributing to political causes, shouldn't you feel the same way about corporations? Shareholders don't neccesarily have a say in where that money goes.

Nope, don't care at all as it isn't taxpayer money. Shareholders choose to invest, taxpayers don't
 
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Ohhh, so now we know! That's what it's really all about. You don't seem to have a problem with Shaw Global, whose CEO Jim Berhard is a former Democrat big dick in Louisiana, got a no bid contract to do most of the work after Hurricane Katrina.

You don't give a **** about no bid contracts. You only give a **** that Halliburton got a no bid contract.

Nevermind that Halliburton was on the only oilfield service company in the world that could handle the Iraq job, because it was going to take more than a 48 piece socket set to fix things over there and we didn't have a 6 month window to cut through all the red tape.

You just earned that Halliburton Christmas card. Keep kissing up and you may even get a fruit basket as well. I hate to tell you what you may have to do for even more than that.

btw - I am against the idea of no bid contracts - be they given to any party regular GOP or Dem.
 
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Nope, don't care at all as it isn't taxpayer money. Shareholders choose to invest, taxpayers don't

And besides, they give most of it to your darlings anyway.
 
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Will do, let's see if the unions make Wisconsin default and break the state. You will then be so proud.

But when Walker and his supporters in the GOP lower and slash taxes thus cutting the states ability to function and push the state closer to default, that is perfectly fine in your book.
 
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Will do, let's see if the unions make Wisconsin default and break the state. You will then be so proud.
Try to keep up, conservative, the public unions have already agreed with the governor on pay cuts. It's COLLECTIVE BARGAINING that is the issue and that includes a whole lot more than wages and benefits.
 
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But unions have that right? It is ok for unions to tell people what they have to do with some of their money but not the employer, the taxpayers?


Give me an example of a how a Union " telling people what they have to do with some of their money ".
 
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