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Catawba said:

The law requires 24 hour notice, which was not provided:

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I keep hearing that, but I also hear that there was a legit loophole.

Why are people complaining about this manuever when the manuever they supported was a 3-week flight out of the state. Too late to cry foul, not when your senators were foul chicken that disrupted the democratic process.

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Marshabar said:

The Democrats have trained a few generations of people to look first to the government for help.

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Kinda like the person at a teaparty rally holding a sign that says 'Keep the government out of my Medicare'?

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Catawba said:

Glad you feel that way! Then I'm sure you won't mind if the tax cuts for the wealthy have to be taken to the chopping block during our budget cuts. :sun

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won't mind a bit ... if they chop alll the tax cuts ... seeing as how everyone one of your liberals keep saying that it was a tax cut for the rich..... shouldn't be a problem to just let them all expire should it?

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donc said:

In winger speak, that means they are succeeding in starving the beast. Cutting off state funds means less fed funds as well. WAHOO… in winger land it don’t get any better than that.

Less medical care=more poor people dying=less future care.

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Hey .. we have obama care .. .that is going to take care of everything .. and save us money too .. I know .. Obama himself said this .. . so health care worries are a thing of the past

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The Barbarian said:

Hey .. we have obama care .. .that is going to take care of everything .. and save us money too .. I know .. Obama himself said this .. . so health care worries are a thing of the past

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Canadian healthcare is atrocious. Long waiting rooms and people dying before they recieve care... I like your sarcasm, too.

However, why do we talk healthcare in a thread about Walker and the unions?

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Walter said:

Since WHEN is a TAX CUT part of a budget? A budget has to do with Expenditures.

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A budget represents both expenditures and income, not just expenditures. You are leaving out half of the budget picture. The temporary tax break for the wealthy because it was unfunded cut revenues by the same amount. By eliminating this temporary tax break for wealthy, you have much more income to pay your bills, that has increased in part due to unfunded temporary tax cuts for the wealthy.

If we are ever to address our debt, just as one would have to do in their personal budget, we will have to both increase our revenues and cut our spending. We have found after 30 years of Reaganomics that the trickle down theory doesn't pay the bills and only drives more and more middle class into the poor category.

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The Barbarian said:

won't mind a bit ... if they chop alll the tax cuts ... seeing as how everyone one of your liberals keep saying that it was a tax cut for the rich..... shouldn't be a problem to just let them all expire should it?

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Cool beans! I'll happily give up my $100 so those making over $1 million will again be paying their fair share, $93,000 more on average for those making over $1 mil! :sun

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apdst said:

What special rights do they have?

Also, why do non-rich people deserve the earned income credit? Seems to me they have a special right to pay no taxes; plus get a four-figure rebate every year. I mean, it's all about one paying one's fair share. Yes?

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So, paying one's fair share to you means taking away a few thousand in tax credits that greatly benefit poor working families while continuing to give people who earn over a million a $93k tax credit. Got it. Thanks for showing how "fair" the right can be.

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Catawba said:

Cool beans! I'll happily give up my $100 so those making over $1 million will again be paying their fair share, $93,000 more on average for those making over $1 mil! :sun

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I thought it was $91,000. It went up last night? :lamo

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Sgt Meowenstein said:

So, paying one's fair share to you means taking away a few thousand in tax credits that greatly benefit poor working families while continuing to give people who earn over a million a $93k tax credit. Got it. Thanks for showing how "fair" the right can be.

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What was your tax bill last year? Did you pay your fair share?

I'm a business operator and you can bet your ass I paid my fair share+. After I paid all my taxes and fees last year, my profit went down to $17,000. Am I one of thos rich, greedy businessmen that you hate so much? I can't get an earned income credit, because I'm self employed.

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apdst said:

What was your tax bill last year? Did you pay your fair share?

I'm a business operator and you can bet your ass I paid my fair share+. After I paid all my taxes and fees last year, my profit went down to $17,000. Am I one of thos rich, greedy businessmen that you hate so much? I can't get an earned income credit, because I'm self employed.

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I paid my share in taxes last year. I'm self-employed as well, and don't qualify for the earned income tax credit, but I know that poor families find it beneficial. Since you ignored the part of my post where I pointed out the hypocrisy in approving of a $93k tax credit for millionares while wanting to take away a few thousand in tax credits from poor families, I guess it's safe to assume that you have no rational explanation as to why you would take such a blatantly hypocritical stand. I understand why you would want to ignore it. It's a big glaring flaw in your argument. In fact, it pretty much destroys your argument. Fair is fair, right? You keep talking about fairness. So, please, tell me how that is fair.

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EarlzP said:

What we really need is for all Americans regardless of political party to wake up up and take a deep breath of reality our jobs and the future of our economy is under attack from within our politIcal structure. Breaking the unions by attacking collective bargaining will be one more nail in the economic coffin facing our nation. Our job opportunities along with our economy is being shipped overseas

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http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/may2010/stud-m28.shtml
 
American college graduates find themselves in the harshest economic climate in at least a generation, according to a recently released report by the Economic Policy Institute (EPI). With unemployment levels for new college graduates and non-degreed youth nearly double their 2007 rates, data suggest that a college degree no longer ensures financial stability for graduates in the US.

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In findings that appear to paint a darker employment picture than official U.S. data, Gallup estimated that about 30 million Americans are underemployed, meaning either jobless or able to find only part-time work.

Underemployed people spent 36 percent less on household purchases than their fully employed neighbors in January, while six out of 10 were not hopeful about their chances of finding adequate work in the coming month, the poll said.

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It's still much lower than the Unemployment rate for noncollege educated individuals.

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Their back.Now we will see if the Wi. attorney general is a real attorney are a political hack. :2wave:

<MADISON, Wis. — They are unlikeliest of folk heroes. >


<MADISON, Wis. — They are unlikeliest of folk heroes.
But this group — a dairy farmer, a lawyer, a former truck driver and a woman who is seven months pregnant, among others — which fled this capital nearly a month ago returned on Saturday to the cheers of tens of thousands who once again packed the streets in protest.>

<“Today, the most shameful 14 people in the state of Wisconsin are going to pat themselves on the back and smile for the cameras,” Scott Fitzgerald, the Republican senate majority leader, said in a statement. “They’re going to pretend they’re heroes for taking a three-week vacation. It is an absolute insult to the hundreds of thousands of Wisconsinites who are struggling to find a job, much less one they can run away from and go down to Illinois — with pay.” >

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/13/us/13wisconsin.html

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Catawba said:

Cool beans! I'll happily give up my $100 so those making over $1 million will again be paying their fair share, $93,000 more on average for those making over $1 mil! :sun

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You mean, you don't even pay $100 in taxes every year????

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Sgt Meowenstein said:

I paid my share in taxes last year. I'm self-employed as well, and don't qualify for the earned income tax credit, but I know that poor families find it beneficial. nce you ignored the part of my post where I pointed out the hypocrisy in approving of a $93k tax credit for millionares while wanting to take away a few thousand in tax credits from poor families, uess it's safe to assume that you have no rational explanation as to why you would take such a blatantly hypocritical stand.nderstand why you would want to ignore it. It's a big glaring flaw in your argument. In fact, it pretty much destroys your argument. Fair is fair, right? You keep talking about fairness. So, please, tell me how that is fair.

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Your bleating about some fantasy $93 thousand dollar tax credit, is what's irrational.

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apdst, you've got them cornered. The thousand pound gorilla in these discussions is that the ones that all bitch about tax breaks for the rich.....are the same people that almost entirely pay virtually no taxes at all.

They just want to stick it to people that are outperforming them.

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apdst said:

Your bleating about some fantasy $93 thousand dollar tax credit, is what's irrational.

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Its no fantasy, I provided the link to the Congressional Record, and you happily provide that support for your rich friends.

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Catawba said:

Its no fantasy, I provided the link to the Congressional Record, and you happily provide that support for your rich friends.

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Nothing from the tax code? No surprise there.

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apdst said:

Nothing from the tax code? No surprise there.

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Are you truly unaware of the 2003 tax cuts?

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Catawba said:

Are you truly unaware of the 2003 tax cuts?

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Showem to us. Let's see whose taxes got cut and whose didn't.

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Catawba said:

Are you truly unaware of the 2003 tax cuts?

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The few billionaires in this country inflated your number enormously. It's the same with average household income. The mean income is 40% higher than the median, owing to a few ridiculously rich people.

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iamitter said:

The few billionaires in this country inflated your number enormously. It's the same with average household income. The mean income is 40% higher than the median, owing to a few ridiculously rich people.

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That is what "on average" means.

"· Making the tax cuts permanent would generate large, backloaded revenue losses over the next 10 years. Combined with a minimal but necessary fix to the government's Alternative Minimum Tax, making the tax cuts permanent would reduce federal revenues by almost $1.8 trillion over 10 years — and that's in addition to the $1.7 trillion of revenue losses already locked into law. By 2014, the annual revenue loss would amount to $400 billion, or 2 percent of gross domestic product — almost the size of this year's federal budget deficit.

· Paying for the tax cuts would require monumental reductions in spending or increases in other taxes. To offset the revenue losses in 2014 would require, for example, a 48 percent reduction in Social Security benefits, a 57 percent cut in Medicare benefits, or a 117 percent increase in corporate taxes.

· Over the long run, making the tax cuts permanent would cost as much as repairing the shortfalls in the Social Security and Medicare Hospital Insurance trust funds. Thus, to the extent that Social Security and Medicare are considered major long-term fiscal problems, making the tax cuts permanent should be seen as creating a fiscal problem of equivalent magnitude.

· Making the tax cuts permanent would be regressive; that is, it would confer by far the biggest benefits on high-income taxpayers. After-tax income would increase by more than 6 percent for households in the top 1 percent of the nation's income distribution, 2 percent for households in the middle 60 percent, and only 0.3 percent for households in the bottom 20 percent. The share of the tax cut accruing to high-income taxpayers would exceed their share of federal tax payments today, so their share of the federal tax burden would decline. The tax cuts will ultimately have to be financed with other tax increases or spending cuts. Once plausible methods of financing the tax cuts are taken into account, more than three-quarters of households are likely to end up worse off than they would have been if the tax cuts had never taken effect.

· Making the tax cuts permanent is likely to reduce long-term economic growth, not increase it. Studies by the Federal Reserve, the Congressional Budget Office and the Joint Committee on Taxation, as well as our own research, indicate that making the tax cuts permanent would increase the size of the economy slightly and temporarily but would reduce growth in the long term, in part because higher federal deficits will have a negative effect on long-term saving, investment and capital accumulation."

The Cost of Tax Cuts - Brookings Institution

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the main cost of tax cuts was the fact that many people no longer pay federal income taxes and thus have absolutely no incentive to demand politicians quit spending because those non tax payers don't have to pay for that spending.

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TurtleDude said:

the main cost of tax cuts was the fact that many people no longer pay federal income taxes and thus have absolutely no incentive to demand politicians quit spending because those non tax payers don't have to pay for that spending.

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And your documentation for that is what counselor? Your esteemed opinion?

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Catawba said:

Are you truly unaware of the 2003 tax cuts?

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yes. he is.