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don't care about biased polls one bit. save 'em for dailykos, or whereever you frequent.

1. Gallup is one of the most respected polling organizations; respected by people of all political ideologies.

2. Greenberg Quinlan Rosner is a Democratic polling organization, so you can claim bias if you want, but it is also one of the most respected polling organization.s

You and others keep making the claim that Americans and Wisconsinites are in support of Walker. The only way to make or challenge this claim is with polls -they're is no other measure of approval.

I have polls that support my claim. Where are yours?
 
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don't care about biased polls one bit. save 'em for dailykos, or whereever you frequent.

I didn't realize that the Wisconsin Public Research Institute is a biased organization. I guess any poll that shows support for unions (which is every poll) is biased to you? Hell, even Rasmussen shows support for unions. But you want to ignore those results, right? Typical con.

Another Poll Brings Bad News for Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker - Robert Schlesinger (usnews.com)

The Wisconsin Public Research Institute released a poll over the weekend which showed that 51 percent of Wisconsites somewhat or strongly oppose Walker’s plan to roll back collective bargaining rights and cut public workers’ compensation. More striking is the intensity of the opposition Walker and his plan inspire.

It’s not just that 51 percent oppose the plan, but 42 percent oppose it strongly (9 percent somewhat oppose). And asked if they strongly or somewhat approve or disapprove of Walker’s job performance as governor a remarkable 45 percent strongly disapprove, with another 8 percent somewhat disapproving. His strong approval was 29 percent and his somewhat approve figure is 14 percent.
 
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Sadly you don't understand the economic damage the Public Sector Unions have done to the state, and why this measure is being used to curtail such largess in the future. They aren't doing it for today, they are doing it to save the state tomorrow.

No State should ever come at the expense of the People.
 
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1. Gallup is one of the most respected polling organizations; respected by people of all political ideologies.

2. Greenberg Quinlan Rosner is a Democratic polling organization, so you can claim bias if you want, but it is also one of the most respected polling organization.s

You and others keep making the claim that Americans and Wisconsinites are in support of Walker. The only way to make or challenge this claim is with polls -they're is no other measure of approval.

I have polls that support my claim. Where are yours?

The only polls that matter are the ones on election day. Rasmussen has a poll that doesn't support your claims as do others.
 
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We shall see, right? you are going to be disappointed in the outcome. What will your next move be?

I suspect, fetally weeping and pooping pampers. Just a guess, but my middle name is Criswell.
 
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1. Gallup is one of the most respected polling organizations; respected by people of all political ideologies.

2. Greenberg Quinlan Rosner is a Democratic polling organization, so you can claim bias if you want, but it is also one of the most respected polling organization.s

You and others keep making the claim that Americans and Wisconsinites are in support of Walker. The only way to make or challenge this claim is with polls -they're is no other measure of approval.

I have polls that support my claim. Where are yours?

polls indicate Walker and Obama's approval ratings are nearly identical.

these polls are wothtless though. individuals aren't going to the voting booths for a long time, and a recall election can't occur for a long time either. and even then, you need to beleive that the lack of support is so large that it amounts to a single issue election platform. I simply don't see it.
 
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The only polls that matter are the ones on election day. Rasmussen has a poll that doesn't support your claims as do others.

Let's see those polls, Conservative. Can't find them? That's because they don't exist. But hey, I could be wrong. Just show me those polls that supposedly support your view. I'll be waiting.
 
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polls indicate Walker and Obama's approval ratings are nearly identical.

these polls are wothtless though. individuals aren't going to the voting booths for a long time, and a recall election can't occur for a long time either. and even then, you need to beleive that the lack of support is so large that it amounts to a single issue election platform. I simply don't see it.

Exactly, Walker has to be in office a year before any recall effort can take place. A lot can happen before that and a lot will happen including job creation and economic growth thanks to the Walker actions.
 
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Are you trying to tell me that a news media outlet would deny a state representive an interview on air?

Yes. National news media looks for stories that garner major attention.

Link Already got it documented in post #14 along with a link to Wisconsins statutes. Enjoy.

Nothing you posted says they broke any laws.
 
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Let's see those polls, Conservative. Can't find them? That's because they don't exist. But hey, I could be wrong. Just show me those polls that supposedly support your view. I'll be waiting.

When I provide you links and data you ignore them. Go to Rasmussen site and see the polls. Why do polls matter to you since obviously the healthcare poll doesn't or the deficit polls or the Obama approval ratings or the direction of the country polls? Only selective polls?
 
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Exactly, Walker has to be in office a year before any recall effort can take place. A lot can happen before that and a lot will happen including job creation and economic growth thanks to the Walker actions.

Walker does (by the way, it is only 10 months away), but the state Senators don't. They're eligible right now. And thousands have already signed petitions to recall them. They're dead men walking. Just like Walker in 10 months.
 
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When I provide you links and data you ignore them. Go to Rasmussen site and see the polls. Why do polls matter to you since obviously the healthcare poll doesn't or the deficit polls or the Obama approval ratings or the direction of the country polls? Only selective polls?

I haven't seen any polls that support your view. Just post them, Conservative. If they exist, you should be able to prove it easily enough. I'm still waiting.
 
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Walker does (by the way, it is only 10 months away), but the state Senators don't. They're eligible right now. And thousands have already signed petitions to recall them. They're dead men walking. Just like Walker in 10 months.

Then so is the state, congratulations, you can have the entire state working for the govt. because no business will ever do business there. You don't seem to understand fiscal responsibility and the difference between private sector and public sector unions. Even after the Walker bill state public employees have more rights than the Federal Public employees. Guess it is easy for someone like you to not worry about what that cost is to citizens of another state, just like you have no problem raising taxes on the evil rich when 47% don't pay any Federal Income taxes. That is selfish liberalism.
 
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Walker does (by the way, it is only 10 months away), but the state Senators don't. They're eligible right now. And thousands have already signed petitions to recall them. They're dead men walking. Just like Walker in 10 months.

it's partisan hackery. the democrats that fleed the state are also dead men walking, I'm sure the evil Koch(sarcasm) brothers will see to that.
 
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Then so is the state, congratulations, you can have the entire state working for the govt. because no business will ever do business there. You don't seem to understand fiscal responsibility and the difference between private sector and public sector unions. Even after the Walker bill state public employees have more rights than the Federal Public employees. Guess it is easy for someone like you to not worry about what that cost is to citizens of another state, just like you have no problem raising taxes on the evil rich when 47% don't pay any Federal Income taxes. That is selfish liberalism.

Blah blah blah. What does that have to do with the fact that a majority of your fellow Wisconsinites don't support Walker, state Repubs, or their blatant union-busting bill that has nothing to do with the budget (which Senate Majority Leader Fitgerald admitted to on Faux Ooze)? Still waiting on those polls that supposedly show support for your side. Any day now, Conservative. You said they exist. Show me.
 
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Blah blah blah. What does that have to do with the fact that a majority of your fellow Wisconsinites don't support Walker, state Repubs, or their blatant union-busting bill that has nothing to do with the budget (which Senate Majority Leader Fitgerald admitted to on Faux Ooze)? Still waiting on those polls that supposedly show support for your side. Any day now, Conservative. You said they exist. Show me.

You know, you can make your points much more effectively by avoiding the mindless namecalling like the bolded above.

Just sayin'
 
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The only polls that matter are the ones on election day. Rasmussen has a poll that doesn't support your claims as do others.

Rasmussen confirms my arguments:

A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Wisconsin voters shows that just 39% favor weakening collective bargaining rights and 52% are opposed.

Among those asked about the state budget deficit, 52% supported the Democrats and 44% supported the Governor...Among those asked about weakening collective bargaining rights, 56% supported the union and 41% supported the Governor.

This is your evidence - which means voters aren't fond of unions and yet the above polls shows that in spite of these they are still against Walker's actions...

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 48% of Likely U.S. Voters agree more with the Republican governor in his dispute with union workers. Thirty-eight percent (38%) agree more with the unionized public employees, while 14% are undecided.

Also, if those are the only polls that matter, then you and some of the others should stop arguing that the country supports Walker/is against collective bargaining.

Wisconsin Poll: Support for Budget Cutting, Not for Weakening Collective Bargaining Rights
 
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I'll say again this had to be done. It's like tough love. It hurts initially but it is better in the long run. Just like the healthcare bill had to be passed despite what current polls said. It is for the greater good. The Democrats are just angry because it intrudes on "their" turf and will probably cause them to lose a hefty portion of campaign financing. The unions will either have to be dismantled completely or seriously restructured. I'm in favor of throwing it out and starting over entirely.

Undoubtedly their are some budget problems but to single out one group "especially a group that may not support your politics shows bias. So be fair, lets ask Gov Walker and any governor attacking the teacher's union to tell the insurance companies that they have to take a 10% reduction in premiums.

When your state is in a financial crisis every thing possible needs to be done to address the problem, this is nothing but smoke and mirrors, the real purpose is to break up a voting block that traditionally supports politicians that vote for laws and bills that favor them. The working middle class is the target
 
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Rasmussen confirms my arguments:




Also, if those are the only polls that matter, then you and some of the others should stop arguing that the country supports Walker/is against collective bargaining.

Wisconsin Poll: Support for Budget Cutting, Not for Weakening Collective Bargaining Rights

Just goes to show you can find polls all over the place and the only poll that matters are the election polls. Fact is the ball is now in Walker's court and he has to produce results and has until early next year to do it. If he doesn't he will lose the next election and if he does he will win in a landslide. Quoting polls after the bill has been signed is irrelevant but does fuel the leftwing base many of whom don't even live in Wisconsin.
 
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That poll shows a statistically even split. What's more, it shows a split along partisan lines. A majority of Dems oppose the bill. A majority of Repubs support it. Where are those polls you were talking about that show a majority of Americans and Wisconsinites support the bill? I, and others, have provided numerous national and local WI polls that show a majority oppose Walker and his bill. So far, you've come up with one poll that shows an even split. Where are those polls, Conservative? Still waiting.
 
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That poll shows a statistically even split. What's more, it shows a split along partisan lines. A majority of Dems oppose the bill. A majority of Repubs support it. Where are those polls you were talking about that show a majority of Americans and Wisconsinites support the bill? I, and others, have provided numerous national and local WI polls that show a majority oppose Walker and his bill. So far, you've come up with one poll that shows an even split. Where are those polls, Conservative? Still waiting.

There are parts of the poll that show what you want them to show and vice versa. As stated, it doesn't matter now as the ball is in Walker's court no matter how outraged you and your union buddies are. By the way a statistically even split isn't a ringing endorsement for unions.
 
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There are parts of the poll that show what you want them to show and vice versa. As stated, it doesn't matter now as the ball is in Walker's court no matter how outraged you and your union buddies are. By the way a statistically even split isn't a ringing endorsement for unions.

It's funny how your intensity wanes when people provide evidence against your arguments. First it was, Americans and Wisconsinites support Walker. Now its...well, the ball is in Walker's court.
 
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There are parts of the poll that show what you want them to show and vice versa. As stated, it doesn't matter now as the ball is in Walker's court no matter how outraged you and your union buddies are. By the way a statistically even split isn't a ringing endorsement for unions.

In other words, you don't have the proof to back up your bogus claim. That's what I thought. Thanks for playing. You fail.

By the way, a statistically even split among NATIONAL voters isn't good for Repubs either. But the local WI polls (the only ones you care about, right? At least, that's what I thought you said), that show a clear majority support the unions, are a ringing endorsement for Dems.
 
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It's funny how your intensity wanes when people provide evidence against your arguments. First it was, Americans and Wisconsinites support Walker. Now its...well, the ball is in Walker's court.

Right, logic and common sense always prevail, you ought to try it some time. The bill is now law so what good does it do to cite polls at this point. The ball is indeed in Walker's court. Are you prepared for the consequences of his success in balancing the budget and creating jobs?
 
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