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I didn't misunderstand. You said interest and not interest group.

Well I guess I was assumed that you were politically aware enough to understand the context. I won't make that mistake again.

theplaydrive said:
Regardless the point still stands, low-income minority students and their schools are a corporate interest and the those corporations love the Republican Party and hate unions.

Please, turn off the partisan rhetoric. FYI I'm a liberal Democrat living in one of the most liberal cities in America, so that shtick isn't going to work on me. And there is absolutely nothing progressive about policies that favor archaic dinosaurs like unions, at the expense of the most vulnerable members of society: Poor students in inner cities, who are mostly minorities, who mostly come from uneducated families, and who have little hope for a better future unless our schools are fundamentally reformed.

Standing in the way of helping THEM so that we can provide teachers with nearly total job security is disgusting.
 
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I'm not going to argue with you. You've proven yourself incapable.

Thank you for your opinion which isn't backed by anything other than your feelings. Suggest you get the facts to prove me wrong vs. your opinions.
 
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texts are selected by panels of teachers, admins and parents, they are written to be sold to those preferences

sorry

And you think that they are immune to influence...just like the teachers who are immune to the influence of districts who encourage them to inflate grades or be fired?
 
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Your opinion simply doesn't hold up to the demonstrated value to students for these efforts.

I've already explained this to you, and since you're intentionally choosing to lead the conversation in circles, I think this will be my last post to you on the subject unless you have something new to say. But I'll say it one last time:

I'm not suggesting that the reforms you mentioned that the teachers' unions have supported are necessarily bad. I'm saying that of course they'll support those particular initiatives since they also line the teachers' unions own pockets. The problem is that they oppose every reform that doesn't directly benefit themselves.

Catawba said:
Exactly my point, without the huge donations by unions to elections, there is nothing to balance out the big money from corporations. It is how corporate control begins.

Except when it comes to public unions, no such balance exists. You seem to think that on one side of the negotiating table is a giant union and on the other side is a giant corporation...which may or may not be true in the private sector. But for public workers, on one side of the negotiating table is a giant union and on the other side are the American people.

Unions and corporations don't "balance" each other in any meaningful sense in the public sector. When EITHER of them colludes to fix prices, the public suffers. In the case of teachers' unions, the people who suffer the most are the poor students in failing schools.
 
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FYI I'm a liberal Democrat living in one of the most liberal cities in America, so that shtick isn't going to work on me.

Poor students in inner cities, who are mostly minorities, who mostly come from uneducated families, and who have little hope for a better future unless our schools are fundamentally reformed.

Standing in the way of helping THEM so that we can provide teachers with nearly total job security is disgusting.

If you think this is due to collective bargaining and not the socio-ecominic obstacles that have to be overcome by minority and special needs kids, you are niether as liberal or as knowledgeable as you think you are.
 
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Another assertion without a link. Haymarket! How 'bout doing some legwork like the rest of us??

Here's what the poster said:

Link to Walker. Please.

I explained when I reprinted the story that it was from a political subscription service. But you can find dozens of the same stories of the events by simply googling. If I gave you a link you would be blocked because you are not.... special.
 
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Well I guess I was assumed that you were politically aware enough to understand the context. I won't make that mistake again.



Please, turn off the partisan rhetoric. FYI I'm a liberal Democrat living in one of the most liberal cities in America, so that shtick isn't going to work on me. And there is absolutely nothing progressive about policies that favor archaic dinosaurs like unions, at the expense of the most vulnerable members of society: Poor students in inner cities, who are mostly minorities, who mostly come from uneducated families, and who have little hope for a better future unless our schools are fundamentally reformed.

Standing in the way of helping THEM so that we can provide teachers with nearly total job security is disgusting.

Anytime someone posts something that you're either ignorant of or aren't willing to accept, you call them talking points/partisan rhetoric. Also, it's possible for two liberals to disagree on something. I come from a family of teachers and principals who grew up in inner-city schools and taught/were principals in inner-city schools. I've probably seen firsthand what goes on in and around inner city schools more than you have or ever will. You have proved over and over again in this thread, particularly in your exchange with Catwaba that you are painfully unaware of the complex problems in the education system.
 
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And you think that they are immune to influence...

the hundreds of teachers i've worked with, their influences?

LOL!

they're influenced, alright
 
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just like the teachers who are immune to the influence of districts who encourage them to inflate grades or be fired?

inflate grades or be what?

LOL!

you really gotta rub people the wrong way for quite a while just to get a letter placed in your file
 
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Which is BS. The Teachers Union had already agreed to ALL of the monetary concessions. What this is really about is the Koch Brothers' influence over the Governor, who is breaking the unions, while lying that it is all about being fiscally responsible.

The Koch Brothers are interested in busting the public employee unions? really?

Pray tell, what do they have to gain by that?

BTW, collective bargaining isn't a right. If it were, everyone would have it; even corporations. Yes, that's right, corporations, too.
 
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If you think this is due to collective bargaining and not the socio-ecominic obstacles that have to be overcome by minority and special needs kids

well, the tenuring of ineffective teachers sure aint helpin

nor are the TWO POINT FIVE TRILLION DOLLARS of unfunded public pensions

get real
 
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inflate grades or be what?

LOL!

you really gotta rub people the wrong way for quite a while just to get a letter placed in your file

You really are clueless.
 
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The Koch Brothers are interested in busting the public employee unions? really?

Pray tell, what do they have to gain by that?

BTW, collective bargaining isn't a right. If it were, everyone would have it; even corporations. Yes, that's right, corporations, too.

On of the other main contributers to Walker's campaign was Wal-Mart...I assume the Koch Brothers who own corporations like Georgia-Pacific are interested busting up unions for the same reasons Wal-Mart is...and we all know Wal-Marts record on intimidating its employees into not organizing.
 
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The Koch Brothers are interested in busting the public employee unions? really?

Pray tell, what do they have to gain by that?

Tax breaks, funded by Wisconsin taxpayers which will no longer be "wasted" on education of the children.
 
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On of the other main contributers to Walker's campaign was Wal-Mart...I assume the Koch Brothers who own corporations like Georgia-Pacific are interested busting up unions for the same reasons Wal-Mart is...and we all know Wal-Marts record on intimidating its employees into not organizing.

Link for WalMart employee intimidation? 'Cause we don't all know that.
 
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Tax breaks, funded by Wisconsin taxpayers which will no longer be "wasted" on education of the children.

That doesn't even make any sense! :lamo

Two-thirds of Wisconsin eighth-graders can't read on an eighth-grade level. Is a lack of money really the problem?
 
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You really are clueless.

sorry, teachers are not fired for failing to inflate grades

LOL!

you really gotta piss someone off even to get a letter in your file

that's just the way it is

unless you're caught kissing or hitting someone, tenure's pretty solid protection
 
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Tax breaks, funded by Wisconsin taxpayers which will no longer be "wasted" on education of the children.

absolutely, they'll be goin instead to the fascists
 
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

sorry, teachers are not fired for failing to inflate grades

LOL!

you really gotta piss someone off even to get a letter in your file

that's just the way it is

unless you're caught kissing or hitting someone, tenure's pretty solid protection

You are so clueless. As if every teacher has tenure.
 
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As if every teacher has tenure.

first day of your third year---tenure

unless you're hired as a temp

probationary 1, probationary 2, tenure

actually vets know that if you are NOT notified by the ides of march (the 15th) of your second year, you're as good as in, since you're guaranteed a return trip if you're not pink slipped by the anniversary of caesar's assassination
 
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On of the other main contributers to Walker's campaign was Wal-Mart...I assume the Koch Brothers who own corporations like Georgia-Pacific are interested busting up unions for the same reasons Wal-Mart is...and we all know Wal-Marts record on intimidating its employees into not organizing.

What's the record of unions intimidating employees into organizing? Is Wisconsin a right to work state? Can a public employee choose not to join a union? Can a union member choose to not allow his union dues to be laundered and given to a political campaign? While we're talking about all this freedom and ****.
 
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Link for WalMart employee intimidation? 'Cause we don't all know that.

"The meeting leader said, 'I am not telling you how to vote, but if the Democrats win, this bill will pass and you won't have a vote on whether you want a union,'" said a Wal-Mart customer-service supervisor from Missouri. "I am not a stupid person. They were telling me how to vote," she said.

Wal-Mart may be walking a fine legal line by holding meetings with its store department heads that link politics with a strong antiunion message.

Wal-Mart Warns of Democratic Win - WSJ.com

There are many documentaries, articles and websites that deal with this. That's one of the reasons so many people protested having a Wal-Mart in Chicago.
 
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Tax breaks, funded by Wisconsin taxpayers which will no longer be "wasted" on education of the children.

Taxpayers don't fund tax breaks as tax breaks aren't an expense to the govt. It isn't the government's money first.
 
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You really are clueless.

you keep parading around here telling people that while they are crushing you with facts
 
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

first day of your third year---tenure

unless you're hired as a temp

probationary 1, probationary 2, tenure

actually vets know that if you are NOT notified by the ides of march (the 15th) of your second year, you're as good as in, since you're guaranteed a return trip if you're not pink slipped by the anniversary of caesar's assassination

Like I said, as if every teacher has tenure.
 
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