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theplaydrive said:
1. It's no coincidence that the economy thrived under Clinton and tanked gradually throughout Bush's terms and that rich, greedy types tend to flock to the Republican Party. Democrats are not innocent in pandering to corporate interests, but Republicans have the policies that attract them the most. What does a greedy corporation want more than a party the targets unions - see notorious employer Walmart's contribution to Walker's campaign.
2. It was unnecessary for the United States to get involved. We went in based on false information, it did nothing to help us, we are not the world's police and we wasted money that we could have used right about now.
3. When I say capable, I meant with the concessions that unions said they would make. There was no need to take away any aspect of collective bargaining. And as far as that $14 trillion - it's funny how conservatives are so quick to demand middle class workers to sacrifice pay, but they don't even consider the idea that the richest of this country who are still making millions of dollars could pay some extra taxes.
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I strongly disagree. The Gramm-Bliley Act, which got rid of the Glass Steagal law, passed during the Great Depression, and removed the safeguards against another Great Depression, and which created the conditions we have now, was signed by Bill Clinton himself.
 
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Whovian said:
please link to either a video or transcript where the Wis GOP leader sdaid on FOX this morning 'It's all about hating Obama'
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I already posted an another thread on that tool confirming what we already knew.
 
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Amazed said:
Textbook lefty parrot points, congrats.
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I take that as a compliment. Thank you.

BTW, the reason they're "parrot points" is because we're consistent in our delivery of the truth as we've experienced it. It's getting exhausting to be honest.
 
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American said:
I'll bet Obamacare figure into all this somehow too.
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Um, care to show me what Obamacare has to do with this topic? I'll be waiting for your answer. Take all the time you need. In fact, take a thousand years, if you need to. Will a thousand years be enough for you to come up with why Obamacare is related to this issue? It's not? I don't know what to tell you then.
 
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Actually, no.

You are consistent in your narrative, there is a large difference.

You ignore historical reality in favor of the Left Wing narrative....

You parrot what you've been told....

theplaydrive said:
I take that as a compliment. Thank you.

BTW, the reason they're "parrot points" is because we're consistent in our delivery of the truth as we've experienced it. It's getting exhausting to be honest.
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theplaydrive said:
1. It's no coincidence that the economy thrived under Clinton and tanked gradually throughout Bush's terms and that rich, greedy types tend to flock to the Republican Party. Democrats are not innocent in pandering to corporate interests, but Republicans have the policies that attract them the most. What does a greedy corporation want more than a party the targets unions - see notorious employer Walmart's contribution to Walker's campaign.
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It is also no coincidence that the laws that caused the lending problem were enacted on Clintons watch. You of course don't have to believe me. Do some homework and you can see for yourself.

theplaydrive said:
2. It was unnecessary for the United States to get involved. We went in based on false information, it did nothing to help us, we are not the world's police and we wasted money that we could have used right about now.
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Hindesight is always 20/20 isn't it?

theplaydrive said:
3. When I say capable, I meant with the concessions that unions said they would make. There was no need to take away any aspect of collective bargaining. And as far as that $14 trillion - it's funny how conservatives are so quick to demand middle class workers to sacrifice pay, but they don't even consider the idea that the richest of this country who are still making millions of dollars could pay some extra taxes.
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Same ole' talking points. You do of course realize that I am not a consevative right? You can find that out by looking through my 3000+ posts. As such your talking points mean nothing to me.

And yes there was a need. Study up on unions and see how they have continueally raised pay grades and demand more and more to the point where buisnesses and manufacturing companies move out of the country because of the demands that Unions make. Granted Unions are only part of the reason. But it is still there. And another view for you to look at. Why would there even be a need to cut pay and union benefits if it wasn't hurting US and State debts? If the US was "capable of meeting the demands"? Oh wait...you'll respond with the canned reply of "because they want to hurt the workers and not big buisnesses". Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? Every single big buisness out there needs workers. Without them they cannot exist. Just as the workers cannot work without big buisness. It is a symbiotic relationship.
 
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theplaydrive said:
Joining a union is standing up for yourself. It's a way of getting people with a common interest in the same organization so that the process can be more efficient. And their right to collective bargaining for things other than wages was taken away. But I guess it's okay that incompetent government agencies can now force teachers to take on classes with 40 students so that they get exhausted and students don't learn. Everybody wins.
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And no bill has been passed which bans unions. Everyone can still join a union if they wish to. Even in my state which is a right to work state you may join a union.
 
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danarhea said:
Not true. In passing the bill, Republicans stripped out ALL of the economic measures, and the version that went to the floor ONLY dealt with busting the union. NOTHING was passed that dealt with the budget. And therein, we now see the real motivation for this move, which was to repay the funding and favors given by the Koch Brothers to the Wisconsin Republican party. The GOP will soon be dead in that state. They have picked a fight that they are surely going to lose.
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I agree. Nothing less than an in-your-face assault on Americana. This shenanigans is forcing me to seriously reconsider supporting the GOP in 2012.
 
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Kandahar said:
There is absolutely NOTHING pro-working class about providing ****ty educations to poor, urban minority students because it might involve holding teachers accountable for their incompetence. I can't think of anything more anti-working class than standing in the way of education reform, which the teachers' unions have done for decades.
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If you knew anything about the education system, you would know that the biggest problems facing education are not unions but ineffective policies that you are too lazy to seek out examine because they're much more difficult to analyze that the surface aspects of complex problems like the American education system.

The foundation of teachers unions are teachers and most teachers go into the profession to HELP students. They fight for bargaining rights to have lower classroom sizes not just because 40 students is difficult to teach, but because students learn poorly in those environments. The same goes for a lot of the other issues they bring up.

You're repeating whatever surface analysis you got from the news - they don't stand in the way of education reform. I know many many teachers who go to EVERY SINGLE school board meeting to protest the ineffective policies that are killing education and underestimating the potential of low-income minority children. One my own relatives has gone to the state congress to talk about such problems with legislators.

I'm so sick of this one-sided, ignorant analysis of teachers, teachers' unions and the education system. You would think that it would be common sense that they majority of teachers care about their students and enter the profession in order to educate and yet so much of the public lets a few examples of unprofessional teachers and corporate media spin against unions paralyze your critical thinking.
 
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danarhea said:
Not true. In passing the bill, Republicans stripped out ALL of the economic measures, and the version that went to the floor ONLY dealt with busting the union.
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If that's true, then there couldn't be a challenge. The only legal challenge to the bill would be if it affected the budget and was economic in nature. So, now you have to make a decision. Did stripping collective bargaining rights affect hte budget or no? If your answer is no, a legal challenge could not win.

BTW, I wonder if this could be a trick. Pass it. Democrats come back to complain. In doing so, they create a quorum and a vote on the full budget bill can occur.
 
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theplaydrive said:
Unions represent citizens. They are a means for citizens to negotiate so that they aren't taken advantage of. If you have a problem with what you say you do, you should probably contact all of the lobbies in Washington that are the talking heads of the privileged few.
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Wrong. GOVERNMENT represents citizens. Unions represent union members. In any negotiation for public services between the government and the union, the union is most definitely NOT the party looking out for the public's interest.
 
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Tashah said:
I agree. Nothing less than an in-your-face assault on Americana. This shenanigans is forcing me to seriously reconsider supporting the GOP in 2012.
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As long as you don't become a Democrat, I'm cool with it. LOL. :mrgreen:
 
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theplaydrive said:
I'm so sick of this one-sided, ignorant analysis of teachers, teachers' unions and the education system. You would think that it would be common sense that they majority of teachers care about their students and enter the profession in order to educate and yet so much of the public lets a few examples of unprofessional teachers and corporate media spin against unions paralyze your critical thinking.
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Bull****. If those WI teachers actually cared about those children then they would have protested during non-school hours. Not pull bullcrap stunts like getting a fake doctors note in order to skip work to protest.
 
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Tashah said:
I agree. Nothing less than an in-your-face assault on Americana. This shenanigans is forcing me to seriously reconsider supporting the GOP in 2012.
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I wonder what the response from some is going to be for your post?.....

"That's because you are a damn Leebrul that hates America."

LOL. :mrgreen:
 
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theplaydrive said:
If you knew anything about the education system, you would know that the biggest problems facing education are not unions but ineffective policies that you are too lazy to seek out examine because they're much more difficult to analyze that the surface aspects of complex problems like the American education system.
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And most of those ineffective policies are in place because the union refuses to allow any innovation or experimentation, unless it directly benefits the union itself.

theplaydrive said:
The foundation of teachers unions are teachers and most teachers go into the profession to HELP students. They fight for bargaining rights to have lower classroom sizes not just because 40 students is difficult to teach, but because students learn poorly in those environments. The same goes for a lot of the other issues they bring up.
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Sure, the unions love to tout any reforms that will increase the membership of the union, like small class sizes. It's the OTHER 90% of reforms that they block.

theplaydrive said:
You're repeating whatever surface analysis you got from the news - they don't stand in the way of education reform. I know many many teachers who go to EVERY SINGLE school board meeting to protest the ineffective policies that are killing education and underestimating the potential of low-income minority children. One my own relatives has gone to the state congress to talk about such problems with legislators.

I'm so sick of this one-sided, ignorant analysis of teachers, teachers' unions and the education system. You would think that it would be common sense that they majority of teachers care about their students and enter the profession in order to educate and yet so much of the public lets a few examples of unprofessional teachers and corporate media spin against unions paralyze your critical thinking.
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I'm sure that most teachers go into it to help children. That has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that teachers' unions are cancers on society that protect bad teachers, inhibit education reforms, and overcharge taxpayers. Society would be far better off without them.
 
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danarhea said:
I believe the tactic now is going to be recall, and the GOP just gave one hell of a huge boost to the recall effort against 8 Republicans in that state. There is no doubt either that Walker himself will be recalled next year.
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Nothing makes Dan smile more then A Conservative Elected Official getting recalled for.. being Conservative. It goes against what he believes in. In this case, it's Unions.
 
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buck said:
If that's true, then there couldn't be a challenge. The only legal challenge to the bill would be if it affected the budget and was economic in nature. So, now you have to make a decision. Did stripping collective bargaining rights affect hte budget or no? If your answer is no, a legal challenge could not win.

BTW, I wonder if this could be a trick. Pass it. Democrats come back to complain. In doing so, they create a quorum and a vote on the full budget bill can occur.
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interesting idea.
 
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Tashah said:
I agree. Nothing less than an in-your-face assault on Americana. This shenanigans is forcing me to seriously reconsider supporting the GOP in 2012.
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For me it was when they nominated Sarah Palin for V.P.
 
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MrVicchio said:
Nothing makes Dan smile more then A Conservative Elected Official getting recalled for.. being Conservative. It goes against what he believes in. In this case, it's Unions.
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Reading is fundamental, guy. My thread about changing my political lean from Conservative to Independent has been posted for quite some time, and my lean is also public. Just go to where my avatar is, and look below it. Do you need easier directions? :mrgreen:

In changing my political lean to Independent, I can still talk about the good old days of Goldwater, Buckley, and other great thinkers, without being saddled with the likes of Beck, Palin, and YOU. LOL. :mrgreen:
 
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Tashah said:
I agree. Nothing less than an in-your-face assault on Americana. This shenanigans is forcing me to seriously reconsider supporting the GOP in 2012.
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Didn't think you were going to anyway. After all, reigning in state spending by curtailing one of the bigger factors for causing budget problems was one of the key stances of the GOP at large, and here they are doing it and you are gonna "not support them"? Laughable.
 
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MrVicchio said:
Nothing makes Dan smile more then A Conservative Elected Official getting recalled for.. being Conservative. It goes against what he believes in. In this case, it's Unions.
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However, in this case, they're being shills for the Koch brothers and the RNC. This is about Obama, not Wisconsin. The state senate leader already admitted that:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-partisan-politics-and-political-platforms/94271-wisconsin-senate-leader-admits-union-busting-bill-defeating-obama.html
 
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So but one question remains......


Great..... or Greatest..... Governor of All Time?
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Im leaning towards Greatest.....but I could go with just Great.


Finally a governor that stands up for the Rights of Taxpayers and Property Owners.......God Bless America!
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Ed Gein said:
Take a walk, liberal. Your opinion is as useful as tits on Hillary Clinton.
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Sit down and shut up, ultra-rightie-man. Your opinion is about as useless as a vagina in your hands.
 
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danarhea said:
Um, care to show me what Obamacare has to do with this topic? I'll be waiting for your answer. Take all the time you need. In fact, take a thousand years, if you need to. Will a thousand years be enough for you to come up with why Obamacare is related to this issue? It's not? I don't know what to tell you then.
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I wonder what happens to union healthcare when unions can't bargain. What happens to all those waivers? What healthcare will unions get?
 
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