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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    This is your logic:
    1. Teachers get paid, in part, by property taxes...that they and their supporters also pay.
    2. Teachers now have their own money.
    3. Because their salary ultimately comes from money that they, their supporters and their detractors pay in taxes, they shouldn't be able to give such personal money to unions that they perceive as advancing their interests.

    I disagree. When I buy shoes from Nike, I'm not going to claim that since I contributed to the salary of a Nike worker with my personal money, they should have to use the money from their salary to support Democrats or that they shouldn't be able to support Republicans. That's absurd.
    Teachers and all other public sector employees are ALL paid by TAXES which come from the taxpayer no matter how you spin it. That means the taxpayers send money to the local taxing authority who pays workers with that money including unions. Get it yet?

    When you buy something from a private company you do so with money that you didn't get from the taxpayers but instead from the consumers that purchased the products that company sells. You seem to not understand that basic concept.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Teachers and all other public sector employees are ALL paid by TAXES which come from the taxpayer no matter how you spin it. That means the taxpayers send money to the local taxing authority who pays workers with that money including unions. Get it yet?

    When you buy something from a private company you do so with money that you didn't get from the taxpayers but instead from the consumers that purchased the products that company sells. You seem to not understand that basic concept.
    When you get paid money that you worked for then that money is yours and yours alone. It does not matter where the money came from. It could come from the man on the moon and it would not matter. Because it is your money. Not the taxpayers. Not Joe blows down the street. Your money.

    When the IRS comes a knocking on the door of a public worker they do not knock on his nieghbors door as part of that public workers audit. They just knock on his. No one elses.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Teachers and all other public sector employees are ALL paid by TAXES which come from the taxpayer no matter how you spin it. That means the taxpayers send money to the local taxing authority who pays workers with that money including unions. Get it yet?
    I didn't spin it. I said that their salaries come from taxpayers. I took issue with your implication that teachers and their supporters, both which are also taxpayers, should have less of a voice than other taxpayers.

    When you buy something from a private company you do so with money that you didn't get from the taxpayers but instead from the consumers that purchased the products that company sells. You seem to not understand that basic concept.
    1. I understand the basic concept. distracting yourself, me and others on this board from the idea that we're arguing about by insulting me is not a good way to get your point across. I've noticed this is a tactic that you often employ; it never seems to work.

    2. This is your claim: If teachers get money from taxpayers, then they shouldn't be able to spend it on political organizations. This assertion works on the logic that you don't want your money going to political organizations whose politics you don't support. However, when you give your money to a Nike employee and that employee gives his money to Democrats or socialists, your money is still going to places you don't support.

    In both cases, you are giving money to people and supporting institutions who will spend your money on supporting political parties that you don't support.

    Even further, taxpayers pay teachers to teach, not to uphold their political interests. They give you work in exchange for money. Money doesn't buy you control over what organizations they choose to contribute to.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    When you get paid money that you worked for then that money is yours and yours alone. It does not matter where the money came from. It could come from the man on the moon and it would not matter. Because it is your money. Not the taxpayers. Not Joe blows down the street. Your money.

    When the IRS comes a knocking on the door of a public worker they do not knock on his nieghbors door as part of that public workers audit. They just knock on his. No one elses.
    Wrong, when you get money for working in the public sector it is money that the taxpayers paid to those employees since the govt. produces nothing of value except a service required by the taxpayers. If there were no taxpayers there would be no public employees but without taxpayers there are private sector businesses. I just don't get how some of you think. Money doesn't grow on trees, private sector money comes from the purchase of goods and services and doesn't cost the taxpayer a dime. You don't want to buy a service your choice, but not so with public employees.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I didn't spin it. I said that their salaries come from taxpayers. I took issue with your implication that teachers and their supporters, both which are also taxpayers, should have less of a voice than other taxpayers.



    1. I understand the basic concept. distracting yourself, me and others on this board from the idea that we're arguing about by insulting me is not a good way to get your point across. I've noticed this is a tactic that you often employ; it never seems to work.

    2. This is your claim: If teachers get money from taxpayers, then they shouldn't be able to spend it on political organizations. This assertion works on the logic that you don't want your money going to political organizations whose politics you don't support. However, when you give your money to a Nike employee and that employee gives his money to Democrats or socialists, your money is still going to places you don't support.

    In both cases, you are giving money to people and supporting institutions who will spend your money on supporting political parties that you don't support.

    Even further, taxpayers pay teachers to teach, not to uphold their political interests. They give you work in exchange for money. Money doesn't buy you control over what organizations they choose to contribute to.
    Right, it is called a conflict of interest, state public union employees should have the same rights as federal worker employees and vice versa. Federal Union employees don't have full collective bargaining rights, why? What is it that Congress and the President knows that the states don't?

    Sorry for the so called insults but you sound rather young and naive when it comes to economics and political issues.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Right, it is called a conflict of interest, state public union employees should have the same rights as federal worker employees and vice versa. Federal Union employees don't have full collective bargaining rights, why? What is it that Congress and the President knows that the states don't?

    Sorry for the so called insults but you sound rather young and naive when it comes to economics and political issues.
    anyone who disagrees with you is 'young and naive' in your book...same shinola, different day.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    anyone who disagrees with you is 'young and naive' in your book...same shinola, different day.
    The one line responder is back, try responding to the post. Support public unions living off the taxpayer dollars.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Wrong, when you get money for working in the public sector it is money that the taxpayers paid to those employees since the govt. produces nothing of value except a service required by the taxpayers. If there were no taxpayers there would be no public employees but without taxpayers there are private sector businesses. I just don't get how some of you think. Money doesn't grow on trees, private sector money comes from the purchase of goods and services and doesn't cost the taxpayer a dime. You don't want to buy a service your choice, but not so with public employees.
    what those public employees get is called wages, which they can spend any damn way that they want, regardless if you like it or not. who are you to tell someone what they can and can not spend money on?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Cool beans! I'll happily give up my $100 so those making over $1 million will again be paying their fair share, $93,000 more on average for those making over $1 mil!
    There you go... see we can come to agreement, so tell me again why the liberal democrats that controlled all branches of the government didn't do that ?? You should really be pissed at the Democrats .... not the Republicans
    Last edited by The Barbarian; 03-13-11 at 04:23 PM.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    what those public employees get is called wages, which they can spend any damn way that they want, regardless if you like it or not. who are you to tell someone what they can and can not spend money on?
    Two different issues, one, the paycheck which comes from the taxpayer and the other how that money is spent which is no one else's business. You and others continue to miss the point intentionally I might add, no taxpayers no public employees. taxpayers of Wisconsin pay for all public employees and their benefits.

    You don't work for a pubic union therefore aren't paid for by the taxpayers. You are paid out of the products your company sells. Amazing that you and others don't understand where your paycheck comes from.

    The issue is public union employees forced into a union thus forced to give their money in dues, dues which come from their paychecks which come from the taxpayers. Thus taxpayer money is being used to fund the union management and all union expenses including campaign contributions.

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