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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    How is forcing people against their will to belong to a union just to go to work a beautiful thing?

    Sounds pretty communistic to me.
    it allows a naturally parasitic entity to survive longer than it otherwise would. that's what makes it 'beautiful'.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Does that hold true of those corporations that the left seems to hate? How about public unions that live off the taxpayer dollars? You don't see a conflict of interest in public unions backing candidates that spend taxpayer dollars freely?
    1. Unions don't spend taxpayer dollars; they spend the dues union members pay. I just asked my relative to who is in a teacher's union. She pays $1000 every year. Union members should be able to spend their own money to fight for work conditions that they believe they should get. If they were just supposed to take what's given, no one would ever work in government.
    2. It does hold true, at least for me, for corporations that I think work against my interests and those of the general public. Like I said, if you want influence get it. There are enough middle class people who can form organizations (one of which I consider unions) to fight against greedy corporations. Society is a competition of ideas - everyone should be able to compete.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    As far as political contributions, hopefull someday they will be forced to reflect the wishes of all.the workers.


    NEAexposed Ohio teacher sounds off when the NEA launches attack ads against her husband
    Please tell me did she quit her position in protest?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I fail to see the problem with unions contributing to campaigns that support their members' interests. People joins unions because they know that they are the most efficient means of protecting their political interests...
    That also means that you have no problem with big corporate donations as well correct? Don't those donations go to the people that who represent those that own, run, and work for that corporation?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    everyone should certainly be allowed to compete...

    ....except that when you are a public employee then the entity whose will you are trying to overturn is that of the soverign people....

    and that's a whole 'nother ball o wax.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    Please tell me did she quit her position in protest?
    how many teachers in Wisconsin have quit theirs?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    I can guarantee that the lady involved Union dues wasn't used for political purpose.It is a separate PAC and the money donated to the PAC is on a voluntarily basis.
    In my wife's union (I assume it the same for all) her union dues do go towards the printing of a monthly magazine. The monthly mag has many stories advocating a certain political position or political person/party. Also, due to the fungibility of money, it is really difficult to ascertain whether dues are actually being used for political action.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    1. Unions don't spend taxpayer dollars; they spend the dues union members pay. I just asked my relative to who is in a teacher's union. She pays $1000 every year. Union members should be able to spend their own money to fight for work conditions that they believe they should get. If they were just supposed to take what's given, no one would ever work in government.
    2. It does hold true, at least for me, for corporations that I think work against my interests and those of the general public. Like I said, if you want influence get it. There are enough middle class people who can form organizations (one of which I consider unions) to fight against greedy corporations. Society is a competition of ideas - everyone should be able to compete.
    And where exactly do the unions get their money to pay those union dues?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    That also means that you have no problem with big corporate donations as well correct? Don't those donations go to the people that who represent those that own, run, and work for that corporation?
    You can see from my posts after this one, I do not have a problem with corporations giving money to political parties. There are enough middle class people to organize against them. I see unions as one of the means that many of these people have chosen to do so.

    But again, with all contributions, there need to be limits and ethics associated with them, or else we will all risk the chance of getting screwed by someone.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    And where exactly do the unions get their money to pay those union dues?
    This is your logic:
    1. Teachers get paid, in part, by property taxes...that they and their supporters also pay.
    2. Teachers now have their own money.
    3. Because their salary ultimately comes from money that they, their supporters and their detractors pay in taxes, they shouldn't be able to give such personal money to unions that they perceive as advancing their interests.

    I disagree. When I buy shoes from Nike, I'm not going to claim that since I contributed to the salary of a Nike worker with my personal money, they should have to use the money from their salary to support Democrats or that they shouldn't be able to support Republicans. That's absurd.

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