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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I actually agree with you that people should be able to choose when to opt in or out of unions (although I understand why they're not in most cases - they lower the standards and people in unions get fired for wanting higher ones). I have the same problem with not being able to choose to have healthcare.

    I don't agree with you about the numbers of people who would opt out of unions if they had a choice; I think most people would stay, but I haven't really studied that.
    1. Don't make an automatic payroll deduction.
    2. You've just described "Right to Work". Let it be a choice not a have to.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I fail to see the problem with unions contributing to campaigns that support their members' interests. People joins unions because they know that they are the most efficient means of protecting their political interests...
    Do you have a problem when the workers don't get a choice as to which party their dues go to? How would you like to be the teacher who found out her union payed for attack ads against her husband?
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Candice Lynn View Post
    1. Don't make an automatic payroll deduction.
    2. You've just described "Right to Work". Let it be a choice not a have to.
    I don't think I've ever come out against choice. I've only come out against the demonization of unions.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Do you have a problem when the workers don't get a choice as to which party their dues go to? How would you like to be the teacher who found out her union payed for attack ads against her husband?
    1. There aren't enough politicians and teachers married to them for that to be a significant problem. Also, some married couples disagree on politics, so maybe she wouldn't care.
    2. But for those few that do, I've already said that I believe people should have a choice whether or not to join a union.
    3. Unions tend to fight for the interests of their members (when they don't, members tend to get angry and replace leadership). In other words, union political contributions tend to reflect the wishes of the majority of their members just like corporate contributions tend to reflect the wishes of the majority of investors.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    You keep telling yourself champ and you may get a Christmas card from Halliburton as a reward.
    Ohhh, so now we know! That's what it's really all about. You don't seem to have a problem with Shaw Global, whose CEO Jim Berhard is a former Democrat big dick in Louisiana, got a no bid contract to do most of the work after Hurricane Katrina.

    You don't give a **** about no bid contracts. You only give a **** that Halliburton got a no bid contract.

    Nevermind that Halliburton was on the only oilfield service company in the world that could handle the Iraq job, because it was going to take more than a 48 piece socket set to fix things over there and we didn't have a 6 month window to cut through all the red tape.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I fail to see the problem with unions contributing to campaigns that support their members' interests.
    where it leads:

    FT.com / US / Economy & Fed - US public pensions face $2,500bn shortfall

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    1. There aren't enough politicians and teachers married to them for that to be a significant problem. Also, some married couples disagree on politics, so maybe she wouldn't care.
    2. But for those few that do, I've already said that I believe people should have a choice whether or not to join a union.
    3. Unions tend to fight for the interests of their members (when they don't, members tend to get angry and replace leadership). In other words, union political contributions tend to reflect the wishes of the majority of their members just like corporate contributions tend to reflect the wishes of the majority of investors.
    As far as political contributions, hopefull someday they will be forced to reflect the wishes of all.the workers.


    NEAexposed » Ohio teacher sounds off when the NEA launches attack ads against her husband

    And many conservative members of the American Federation of Teachers and the National Education Association have protested that their union’s spending is out of line with the teachers they represent, which are more evenly split politically.
    But for Ohio teacher Jade Thompson, the union’s political bias recently hit home when she unwittingly supported the Ohio Education Association’s attack on her husband Andy Thompson, a conservative running for state representative
    Now imagine my dismay when I saw that those defamatory mailers were paid for by the Ohio Education Association – my teachers’ union. In effect, they are using my union dues to attack my husband! This is a new low, even for the OEA.”[/QUOTE[QUOTE]]“Andy will support a paycheck protection law that prevents teachers’ union dues from being used for political propaganda without written permission“I am hopeful that Andy and a newly elected Conservative majority in the Ohio House can protect the rights of teachers in this state to keep their money from funding the political agenda of any organization without their approval.”
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    You can't just stop a war or leave a country is disarray.
    afghanistan is OBAMA'S WAR

    Also, most people against military conflict, are against the one in Iraq because it was based on nothing, not the one in Afghanistan because it waged against the actual aggressor: al-Qaeda.
    President Obama's Secret: Only 100 al Qaeda Now in Afghanistan - ABC News

    CIA: At most, 50-100 Al Qaeda in Afghanistan - Political Punch

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    28 american states have union shop laws, you must pay dues to keep your job

    What Is a Union Shop?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I don't agree with you about the numbers of people who would opt out of unions if they had a choice; I think most people would stay, but I haven't really studied that.
    If that were true, there wouldn't be a mandatory membership to begin with. In fact, MANY union members vote conservative politically these days and would love to opt out of the union and keep their due money if given the choice.

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