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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    lets start by stopping the creation of wars to further the financial gains of corporate america
    more fantasies

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    lets stop handing out no bid contracts
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    How about starving out union funds for political contributions? Seems like a lot of political operatives may be here promoting unions. Wonder whY?

    Leading Union Political Campaign Contributors
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    American Fed. of State, County, & Municipal Employees $40,281,900 $547,700

    Intel Brotherhood of Electrical Workers 29,705,600 679,000

    National Education Association 27,679,300 2,005,200

    Etc.

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    I fail to see the problem with unions contributing to campaigns that support their members' interests. People joins unions because they know that they are the most efficient means of protecting their political interests...

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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No bid contracts have zero to do with spending levels.
    And where did you get an absurd statement like that? No bid contracts are treason to the taxpayer because it encourages sweetheart deals rewarding friends, family and supporters over responsible public service and lower cost contracts.... remember those taxpayers ..... the ones your side pretends to defend and speak for????
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    I fail to see the problem with unions contributing to campaigns that support their members' interests. People joins unions because they know that they are the most efficient means of protecting their political interests...
    By that logic, you shouldn't have a problem with corporations contributing to campaigns that support their employees's interests. Yes?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    You can't just stop a war or leave a country is disarray. The problem many liberals/Democrats have is with actually starting wars, not with finishing them.

    Also, most people against military conflict, are against the one in Iraq because it was based on nothing, not the one in Afghanistan because it waged against the actual aggressor: al-Qaeda.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And where did you get an absurd statement like that? No bid contracts are treason to the taxpayer because it encourages sweetheart deals rewarding friends, family and supporters over responsible public service and lower cost contracts.... remember those taxpayers ..... the ones your side pretends to defend and speak for????
    Ok, tell us the difference between a bidded contract and a no bid contract.

    The reason for no-bid contracts, is that when they're awarded, it's because a paticular situation--Hurricane Katrina for instance--requires action now not action in 6 months+ to go through the red tape of the bidding process.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I fail to see the problem with unions contributing to campaigns that support their members' interests. People joins unions because they know that they are the most efficient means of protecting their political interests...
    The problem I have with it is when the members contributing don't have a say in where the money's spent. But it is my understanding that people aren't required to contribute to political funds, so maybe it's a moot point. Don't like how the union is using your contribution? Don't make one. People join unions, for the most part, because they have no choice. Many people would opt out of unions in a heartbeat if they were able to do so. I'm thinking that's one of the pieces of legislation in Wisconsin...after all the hubbub dies down, it will be interesting to see what happens to union membership.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Ok, tell us the difference between a bidded contract and a no bid contract.

    The reason for no-bid contracts, is that when they're awarded, it's because a paticular situation--Hurricane Katrina for instance--requires action now not action in 6 months+ to go through the red tape of the bidding process.
    You keep telling yourself champ and you may get a Christmas card from Halliburton as a reward.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    By that logic, you shouldn't have a problem with corporations contributing to campaigns that support their employees's interests. Yes?
    I don't have a problem with it. You're correct. I think every citizen should be able to influence government. If you don't like the influence of corporations, then you should develop your own influence. Many people see unions as a part of that counter-influence (although in some cases, unions and corporations are in bed together).

    To me, society is a competition of ideas. I like competition and I think everyone should be able to participate. (I would add however, that there should be limits/ethical standards to make sure that it doesn't get too crazy).

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The problem I have with it is when the members contributing don't have a say in where the money's spent. But it is my understanding that people aren't required to contribute to political funds, so maybe it's a moot point. Don't like how the union is using your contribution? Don't make one. People join unions, for the most part, because they have no choice. Many people would opt out of unions in a heartbeat if they were able to do so. I'm thinking that's one of the pieces of legislation in Wisconsin...after all the hubbub dies down, it will be interesting to see what happens to union membership.
    I actually agree with you that people should be able to choose when to opt in or out of unions (although I understand why they're not in most cases - they lower the standards and people in unions get fired for wanting higher ones). I have the same problem with not being able to choose to have healthcare.

    I don't agree with you about the numbers of people who would opt out of unions if they had a choice; I think most people would stay, but I haven't really studied that.

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