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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Its quite alright, I haven't expected anything of TurtleDude's posts since not long after I arrived here and found that he never backs up any of his claims. It was my mistake for actually responding to one of his posts.
    Indeed. One must fight the good fight just the same. Every time it is pointed out that the poster in question refuses to actually engage in constructive debate, that is a powerful statement. Every time it is pointed out that the poster in question refuses to support his beliefs and pontificating with verifiable data and evidence, that is a powerful statement. We can only hope - against all practical experience apparently - that it may cause him to actually engage in proper debate.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    lefties constantly whine about the rich not paying enough taxes (ie so the libs can continue to buy the votes of the masses without pissing them off by raising their taxes) yet the problem is that too many people have no incentive to stop runaway government spending
    Us libs have plenty of interest in stopping runaway government spending, so lets start by stopping the creation of wars to further the financial gains of corporate america, lets stop paying $500.00 for a hammer, lets stop handing out no bid contracts

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Your bleating about some fantasy $93 thousand dollar tax credit, is what's irrational.
    Oh it's a fantasy now? Ok, buddy. Whatever you need to tell yourself in order to rationalize your hypocritical stand. I'm sure you have proof that it's a fantasy, right? Maybe you can prove these people wrong:

    Two Tax Cuts Primarily Benefiting Millionaires Slated To Take Effect In January — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

    The highly respected Urban Institute-Brookings Institution Tax Policy Center reports that households with incomes of more than $1 million a year — the richest 0.2 percent of the U.S. population — already are receiving tax cuts averaging $103,000 this year, before these two new tax cuts take effect. The Tax Policy Center finds that the two tax-cut measures in question will give these “millionaires” nearly another $20,000 a year in tax cuts, when the measures are phased in fully.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    Us libs have plenty of interest in stopping runaway government spending, so lets start by stopping the creation of wars to further the financial gains of corporate america, lets stop paying $500.00 for a hammer, lets stop handing out no bid contracts
    No bid contracts have zero to do with spending levels.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    Oh it's a fantasy now? Ok, buddy. Whatever you need to tell yourself in order to rationalize your hypocriticaql stand. I'm sure you have proof that it's a fantasy, right? Maybe you can prove these people wrong:
    And, they're still paying 6 figure tax bills. What's the problem? How about you show how many Americans got a four figure tax refund last year?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Guess you didn't get the memo. The war was voted on. Overwhelmingly so: WASHINGTON (CNN) -- In a major victory for the White House, the Senate early Friday voted 77-23 to authorize President Bush to attack Iraq if Saddam Hussein refuses to give up weapons of mass destruction as required by U.N. resolutions.

    Hours earlier, the House approved an identical resolution, 296-133.

    The president praised the congressional action, declaring "America speaks with one voice."

    Guess you didn't get the second memo. It's in Obamas hands now.
    (Just as soon our troops come home but it is what it is.)

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Candice Lynn View Post
    Guess you didn't get the memo. The war was voted on. Overwhelmingly so: WASHINGTON (CNN) -- In a major victory for the White House, the Senate early Friday voted 77-23 to authorize President Bush to attack Iraq if Saddam Hussein refuses to give up weapons of mass destruction as required by U.N. resolutions.

    Hours earlier, the House approved an identical resolution, 296-133.

    The president praised the congressional action, declaring "America speaks with one voice."

    Guess you didn't get the second memo. It's in Obamas hands now.
    (Just as soon our troops come home but it is what it is.)
    Yeah, but that's different.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    In winger speak, that means they are succeeding in starving the beast. Cutting off state funds means less fed funds as well. WAHOO… in winger land it don’t get any better than that.

    Less medical care=more poor people dying=less future care.
    How about starving out union funds for political contributions? Seems like a lot of political operatives may be here promoting unions. Wonder whY?

    Leading Union Political Campaign Contributors
    1990-2010

    Democrats Republicans

    American Fed. of State, County, & Municipal Employees $40,281,900 $547,700

    Intel Brotherhood of Electrical Workers 29,705,600 679,000

    National Education Association 27,679,300 2,005,200

    Service Employees International Union 26,368,470 98,700

    Communication Workers of America 26,305,500 125,300

    Service Employees International Union 26,252,000 1,086,200

    Laborers Union 25,734,000 2,138,000

    American Federation of Teachers 25,682,800 200,000

    United Auto Workers 25,082,200 182,700

    Teamsters Union 24,926,400 1,822,000

    Carpenters and Joiners Union 24,094,100 2,658,000

    Machinists & Aerospace Workers Union 23,875,600 226,300

    United Food and Commercial Workers Union 23,182,000 334,200

    AFL-CIO 17,124,300 713,500

    Sheet Metal Workers Union 16,347,200 342,800

    Plumbers & Pipefitters Union 14,790,000 818,500

    Operating Engineers Union 13,840,000 2,309,500

    Airline Pilots Association 12,806,600 2,398,300

    International Association of Firefighters 12,421,700 2,685,400

    United Transportation Workers 11,807,000 1,459,300

    Ironworkers Union 11,638,900 936,000

    American Postal Workers Union 11,633,100 544,300

    Nat'l Active & Retired Fed. Employees Association 8,135,400 2,294,600

    Seafarers International Union 6,726,800 1,281,300

    Source: Center for Responsive Politics, Washington, D.C.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Once again, plenty of BS but shy of any documentation whatsoever.

    "When George W. Bush was sworn into office as president in January 2001, he inherited a record budget surplus. Five weeks later, he addressed a joint session of Congress, urging lawmakers to act swiftly on his signature campaign promise: $1.6 trillion in tax cuts.

    "I hope you'll join me in standing firmly on the side of the people," the president said. "See, the growing surplus exists because taxes are too high and government is charging more than it needs. The people of America have been overcharged, and on their behalf, I'm here asking for a refund."

    Republicans cheered. But Democrats were deeply skeptical of a tax cut based on projections of a $5.6 trillion surplus over 10 years that, in fact, never came about. At the time, North Dakota's Kent Conrad was the ranking Democrat on the Senate Budget Committee."

    ""The tax cut is simply too big," he said. "No. 2, it is unfair. It goes primarily to the wealthiest among us. Forty percent of the benefit goes to the wealthiest 1 percent in this country."

    And House Democratic Leader Richard Gephardt of Missouri had a dire warning: "This is a mistake that we will pay for for years to come!"

    Nonetheless, Republicans pushed two big tax packages through Congress in 2001 and 2003. The measures cut marginal rates on personal income taxes. They gradually reduced the estate tax so it disappeared altogether this year. In 2003, they slashed taxes on dividends and capital gains. But to comply with budget and procedural rules, Republicans had to let all those cuts expire, most of them after 10 years. And that is why the clock is now ticking down to Dec. 31 — when tax rates will return to pre-tax cut levels unless Congress acts."
    As Clock Ticks, Lawmakers Revisit Bush Tax Cuts : NPR
    You just regurgitate the same information over and over again even though false. You probably should tell the U.S. Treasury that there was a surplus because they missed the memo thus we are paying too much debt service on the Clinton Debt. There was NO surplus only a PROJECTED surplus, you know a projection like Obama claiming that spending 800 billion dollars on a stimulus program would cap unemployment at 8%. Did either projection come true?
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, but that's different.
    I'm sure. Just like some of the posters may well have been in junior high, when this happened and were not concerned with current events.

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