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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    So please explain to us how unizing Wal Mart would keep costs on their products down, and create jobs.


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    That is NOT the point that was being made. My question was in direct reference to the statement from Chevydriver

    Attempting to unionize in retail has always failed, retail is the type of business that has too much turnover to make a union worth it.
    Again, if this is a true statement, why would WalMart spend lots of money fighting the union and closing profitable stores to stop them? If this statement is right, they should just sit back, let the union try to unionize them and then smile when the union fails because the claim of Chevydriver proves true.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Wow, what an unbelievably stupid post. That's your idea? Give more rights to rich people? What kind of rights do rich people deserve that lowly poor people don't? It's not enough that they buy politicians, influence laws and get away with tax breaks and cuts they don't deserve. Now they need special rights that average citizens don't deserve. That's real American of you.

    How about not anything special in their rights, how about just the right to be secure in their persons, effects, and property. See, you in the recipient class should learn quickly that the free ride is over.


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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Wow, what an unbelievably stupid post. That's your idea? Give more rights to rich people? What kind of rights do rich people deserve that lowly poor people don't? It's not enough that they buy politicians, influence laws and get away with tax breaks and cuts they don't deserve. Now they need special rights that average citizens don't deserve. That's real American of you.
    Sgt. - Turtle is on record as supporting a plan which would strip away tens of millions of Americans right to vote because he does not believe they pay enough in federal taxes. He freely admits that such a plan is aimed at getting likely Democratic voters off the rolls. He takes great joy in knowing that his scheme would enshrine the Republican Party in power for a long long time.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If that is true - and I am NOT saying it is - but if that is true, why would Wal Mart fight so hard to the point of closing profitable stores rather than allow a union? If you are right, this factor would doom the union regardless.
    Like I said, retail as a industry has constant turnover. Majority of part time workers are students and full timers typically use retail as a go between for another job or as a steady income until they find new work. Typically only management is constant which even that is incorrect at least in my experience it is. I've been in retail for 9 years (Assistant 1 yr and Mananger 3yrs) and I have witnesses tons of changes in mangement and upper levels of management eventually plans and goals don't work and change is needed because that is the nature of the retail beast. Unions only make sense in trade work and factory work because for the most part people stay in these types of jobs for most of their working lives.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    The Democrats have trained a few generations of people to look first to the government for help. It is healthier and more profitable to look first to yourself and your family.

    I know a man who against all good advice wrapped his 100+ year old house in plastic siding. He recently had to have a repair done which required getting into a wall. They found a nightmare of mold infesting all the walls. His first question? Is there a government program to pay to fix this? He really assumed there was.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Like I said, retail as a industry has constant turnover. Majority of part time workers are students and full timers typically use retail as a go between for another job or as a steady income until they find new work. Typically only management is constant which even that is incorrect at least in my experience it is. I've been in retail for 9 years (Assistant 1 yr and Mananger 3yrs) and I have witnesses tons of changes in mangement and upper levels of management eventually plans and goals don't work and change is needed because that is the nature of the retail beast. Unions only make sense in trade work and factory work because for the most part people stay in these types of jobs for most of their working lives.
    Chevy - I know your position and feelings on unions - however, I suspect that union leaders have access to the same information you are using to make these observations. They feel that they can make a viable run at this organizing of retail workers. And from the reaction of Wal Mart, I have to suspect they do also.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    The Democrats have trained a few generations of people to look first to the government for help. It is healthier and more profitable to look first to yourself and your family.

    I know a man who against all good advice wrapped his 100+ year old house in plastic siding. He recently had to have a repair done which required getting into a wall. They found a nightmare of mold infesting all the walls. His first question? Is there a government program to pay to fix this? He really assumed there was.

    If a person is always looking to the government for help they forget, or never learn, to think for themselves, to plan, to TAKE CARE.

    If you want to know what living by your own wits and independent spirit is all about do some genealogical research. Find out what kind of people you came from. It is very inspiring and it gives confidence in the strength and ability that resides in you.
    I don't know any Democrat who thinks this way. In fact, they're pretty into the whole 'self-determination' thing. Also, isn't Bill Gates a Democrat?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    How about not anything special in their rights, how about just the right to be secure in their persons, effects, and property. See, you in the recipient class should learn quickly that the free ride is over.


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    Cons love to assume. I'm not on a free ride, champ. I pay my own way. Please don't pretend like you know a god damned thing about me.


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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    Wow, what an unbelievably stupid post. That's your idea? Give more rights to rich people? What kind of rights do rich people deserve that lowly poor people don't?
    What rights do rich people have that poor people don't?

    It's not enough that they buy politicians, influence laws and get away with tax breaks and cuts they don't deserve. Now they need special rights that average citizens don't deserve. That's real American of you.
    1) Why don't they deserve them and 2) What are those tax breaks and cuts?

    Last time I checked, rich folks don' qualify for the earned income credit, the way poor people do.

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