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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    There wasn't a debate. Republicans were going to pass the bill regardless of what Democrats said. The only way to stall the process and try to negotiate or find a way to prevent the bill from passing and leave to it a later date when more DEBATE could be had was to leave. Republicans were not interested in debate and as many conservatives in this thread have said or implied, they shouldn't have been, because compromise is weak and 'this is what the voters wanted'.

    This is where you reveal how illusion forms the foundation of your arguments.
    9&10 News - After 60 Hours of Debate- Wisconsin Bill Passes Moves to Senate

    60 hrs of debate and I heard after that there was another 17hrs.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    30 million plus Americans out of work, millions of American jobs being sent over seas. American companies moving overseas producing a product with labor costs far below what any American worker would need just to survive. Where would you suggest that all of these unemployed Americans find jobs?
    I'd start at improving their skills with education and making themselves more employable.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It's MY money before it is theirs, and I AM BROKE!


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    You are saying that those who have their own money in a bank are not entitled to it? You get to take a cut of it first? Maybe you didn't understand. This is not tax money I am talking about. It is the money which the union members put away from their own paychecks. It is money the union has put away, which was collected, in the form of dues, from those who are members of the union.

    I seriously hope you misunderstood what I posted, because, if you didn't, then how in the hell can you complain about Obama's redistribution of wealth, when that is exactly the same thing that you are advocating for? Taking money that belongs to some, and giving it to someone else.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    That was not my claim. My claim was that your post saying you "really don't think that liberals have any concept of personal income as apparently they believe it all belongs to the govt." was idiotic, at best.
    In any case, my economic views are anything but liberal. Call them libertarian if you wish.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    9&10 News - After 60 Hours of Debate- Wisconsin Bill Passes Moves to Senate

    60 hrs of debate and I heard after that there was another 17hrs.
    From the article:

    Some were outraged when the vote came unexpectedly, bringing an early end to the debate.

    Fifteen Democrats were still planning to speak when the vote happened.
    When I said debate, I meant one in which all sides could be heard.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Thugs? They are only exercising their rightful control over their own money. After all, that is what the free market is all about. If you don't like something, you have every right to stop supporting it with YOUR OWN MONEY. Or would you have the government regulate them? If so, then that is quite a LIBERAL position to take.
    I've done some homework on this issue. M&I has $1.5 billion in assets. I do not believe that assets are $1 billion in union pension money as claimed. I also can't believe that any organization would put $1 billion into one financial institution. Really, how much sense would that make? And, more importantly, what kind of pension fund invests in money markets or other bank instruments? Especially since they are probably inputting an 8% return into their actuarial numbers. Oh, wait. It's a union. Nah, I doubt the whole story. Smells funny.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The 2003 Bush tax cuts are annually $91,000 on average to those making more than $1 million dollars. the tax cut for those making less than $1 million, the average tax cut is $100 annually. My house was paid for prior to 2003. And those that make above $1 million get the same deductions for mortgages.

    So what is your point again?
    One point is .... they are no longer the Bush tax cuts.... they were extended by a liberal president, past by a liberal house .. and a liberal senate ... . that makes them your tax cuts ... unless you didn't vote for Obama

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I've done some homework on this issue. M&I has $1.5 billion in assets. I do not believe that assets are $1 billion in union pension money as claimed. I also can't believe that any organization would put $1 billion into one financial institution. Really, how much sense would that make? And, more importantly, what kind of pension fund invests in money markets or other bank instruments? Especially since they are probably inputting an 8% return into their actuarial numbers. Oh, wait. It's a union. Nah, I doubt the whole story. Smells funny.
    The final proof will be in the results. But it is clear that the unions have the right to pull out every dime, if that is what they want to do. After all, it is a free market, and it is THEIR money.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Iamitter here is a forum that we used to have in a more noticeable spot a few years ago. I believe if it was put back where it was previously, it would keep some of the derailing/diverting of threads to a minimum, if for no other reason than they would be challenged to a debate on the topic.

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    I would have challenged him but I thought that place got shut down. I remember reading a thread saying we'll bring it back if we see the interest a while ago, but I didn't think that went through and the place was still closed.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The final proof will be in the results. But it is clear that the unions have the right to pull out every dime, if that is what they want to do. After all, it is a free market, and it is THEIR money.
    Oh, I don't dispute they have that right. I just think they're thugs for exercising it....with the sole intent of bringing down a financial institution and costing taxpayers tens of millions of dollars just because execs gave $182K to Governor Walker. Although now that I think of it, ******** might be a better word.
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