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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Then so is the state, congratulations, you can have the entire state working for the govt. because no business will ever do business there. You don't seem to understand fiscal responsibility and the difference between private sector and public sector unions. Even after the Walker bill state public employees have more rights than the Federal Public employees. Guess it is easy for someone like you to not worry about what that cost is to citizens of another state, just like you have no problem raising taxes on the evil rich when 47% don't pay any Federal Income taxes. That is selfish liberalism.
    Blah blah blah. What does that have to do with the fact that a majority of your fellow Wisconsinites don't support Walker, state Repubs, or their blatant union-busting bill that has nothing to do with the budget (which Senate Majority Leader Fitgerald admitted to on Faux Ooze)? Still waiting on those polls that supposedly show support for your side. Any day now, Conservative. You said they exist. Show me.


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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    Blah blah blah. What does that have to do with the fact that a majority of your fellow Wisconsinites don't support Walker, state Repubs, or their blatant union-busting bill that has nothing to do with the budget (which Senate Majority Leader Fitgerald admitted to on Faux Ooze)? Still waiting on those polls that supposedly show support for your side. Any day now, Conservative. You said they exist. Show me.
    You know, you can make your points much more effectively by avoiding the mindless namecalling like the bolded above.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The only polls that matter are the ones on election day. Rasmussen has a poll that doesn't support your claims as do others.
    Rasmussen confirms my arguments:

    A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Wisconsin voters shows that just 39% favor weakening collective bargaining rights and 52% are opposed.
    Among those asked about the state budget deficit, 52% supported the Democrats and 44% supported the Governor...Among those asked about weakening collective bargaining rights, 56% supported the union and 41% supported the Governor.
    This is your evidence - which means voters aren't fond of unions and yet the above polls shows that in spite of these they are still against Walker's actions...

    A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 48% of Likely U.S. Voters agree more with the Republican governor in his dispute with union workers. Thirty-eight percent (38%) agree more with the unionized public employees, while 14% are undecided.
    Also, if those are the only polls that matter, then you and some of the others should stop arguing that the country supports Walker/is against collective bargaining.

    Wisconsin Poll: Support for Budget Cutting, Not for Weakening Collective Bargaining Rights
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by LookingGlass View Post
    I'll say again this had to be done. It's like tough love. It hurts initially but it is better in the long run. Just like the healthcare bill had to be passed despite what current polls said. It is for the greater good. The Democrats are just angry because it intrudes on "their" turf and will probably cause them to lose a hefty portion of campaign financing. The unions will either have to be dismantled completely or seriously restructured. I'm in favor of throwing it out and starting over entirely.
    Undoubtedly their are some budget problems but to single out one group "especially a group that may not support your politics shows bias. So be fair, lets ask Gov Walker and any governor attacking the teacher's union to tell the insurance companies that they have to take a 10% reduction in premiums.

    When your state is in a financial crisis every thing possible needs to be done to address the problem, this is nothing but smoke and mirrors, the real purpose is to break up a voting block that traditionally supports politicians that vote for laws and bills that favor them. The working middle class is the target

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Rasmussen confirms my arguments:




    Also, if those are the only polls that matter, then you and some of the others should stop arguing that the country supports Walker/is against collective bargaining.

    Wisconsin Poll: Support for Budget Cutting, Not for Weakening Collective Bargaining Rights
    Just goes to show you can find polls all over the place and the only poll that matters are the election polls. Fact is the ball is now in Walker's court and he has to produce results and has until early next year to do it. If he doesn't he will lose the next election and if he does he will win in a landslide. Quoting polls after the bill has been signed is irrelevant but does fuel the leftwing base many of whom don't even live in Wisconsin.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    That poll shows a statistically even split. What's more, it shows a split along partisan lines. A majority of Dems oppose the bill. A majority of Repubs support it. Where are those polls you were talking about that show a majority of Americans and Wisconsinites support the bill? I, and others, have provided numerous national and local WI polls that show a majority oppose Walker and his bill. So far, you've come up with one poll that shows an even split. Where are those polls, Conservative? Still waiting.


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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    That poll shows a statistically even split. What's more, it shows a split along partisan lines. A majority of Dems oppose the bill. A majority of Repubs support it. Where are those polls you were talking about that show a majority of Americans and Wisconsinites support the bill? I, and others, have provided numerous national and local WI polls that show a majority oppose Walker and his bill. So far, you've come up with one poll that shows an even split. Where are those polls, Conservative? Still waiting.
    There are parts of the poll that show what you want them to show and vice versa. As stated, it doesn't matter now as the ball is in Walker's court no matter how outraged you and your union buddies are. By the way a statistically even split isn't a ringing endorsement for unions.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    There are parts of the poll that show what you want them to show and vice versa. As stated, it doesn't matter now as the ball is in Walker's court no matter how outraged you and your union buddies are. By the way a statistically even split isn't a ringing endorsement for unions.
    It's funny how your intensity wanes when people provide evidence against your arguments. First it was, Americans and Wisconsinites support Walker. Now its...well, the ball is in Walker's court.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    There are parts of the poll that show what you want them to show and vice versa. As stated, it doesn't matter now as the ball is in Walker's court no matter how outraged you and your union buddies are. By the way a statistically even split isn't a ringing endorsement for unions.
    In other words, you don't have the proof to back up your bogus claim. That's what I thought. Thanks for playing. You fail.

    By the way, a statistically even split among NATIONAL voters isn't good for Repubs either. But the local WI polls (the only ones you care about, right? At least, that's what I thought you said), that show a clear majority support the unions, are a ringing endorsement for Dems.


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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    It's funny how your intensity wanes when people provide evidence against your arguments. First it was, Americans and Wisconsinites support Walker. Now its...well, the ball is in Walker's court.
    Right, logic and common sense always prevail, you ought to try it some time. The bill is now law so what good does it do to cite polls at this point. The ball is indeed in Walker's court. Are you prepared for the consequences of his success in balancing the budget and creating jobs?

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