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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    And when the state legislature is controlled by Dems and Walker is recalled and replaced by a Dem (look at the polls in WI. Look at the recall efforts. The numbers speak for themselves. It will happen), bargaining rights will be reinstated. The people of WI are angry. You can't change that. No amount of fake boogieman arguments from the right is going to change that.
    where do you live? I don't beleive the polls, I believe my neighbors.

    the political climate has not changed in your favor.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    And when the state legislature is controlled by Dems and Walker is recalled and replaced by a Dem (look at the polls in WI. Look at the recall efforts. The numbers speak for themselves. It will happen), bargaining rights will be reinstated. The people of WI are angry. You can't change that. No amount of fake boogieman arguments from the right is going to change that.
    Sgt, do you live in Wisconsin? There are 2.5 million people in the labor force and 400,000 belong to unions with not all of them public sector union employees. A very small percentage of the people so the majority IMO aren't going to support any recall election as the Governor did what he was elected to do. You and all other liberals would bankrupt the state and the nation just so that you get your benefits, the hell with the taxpayers. My bet is 2.1 million employees in Wisconsin disagree with you.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    where do you live? I don't beleive the polls, I believe my neighbors.

    the political climate has not changed in your favor.
    Believe your neighbors in Repub state senator's districts who said they support a recall of their Senators. Believe the polls conducted of WI voters that show a majority oppose Walker and his bill. Believe the thousands who continue to march on your capital. You may have won this battle, but you have lost the message. WI voters and the American public are on the side of the unions. Walker is done. The Dems will soon control your legislature and the governorship. You awakened a sleeping giant. Now you have to deal with it.


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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    Believe your neighbors in Repub state senator's districts who said they support a recall of their Senators. Believe the polls conducted of WI voters that show a majority oppose Walker and his bill. Believe the thousands who continue to march on your capital. You may have won this battle, but you have lost the message. WI voters and the American public are on the side of the unions. Walker is done. The Dems will soon control your legislature and the governorship. You awakened a sleeping giant. Now you have to deal with it.
    how much time have you spent in Wisconsin these last two weeks (you clearly don't live anywhere near Wisconsin to be so brash in your claims)

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    And when the state legislature is controlled by Dems and Walker is recalled and replaced by a Dem (look at the polls in WI. Look at the recall efforts. The numbers speak for themselves. It will happen), bargaining rights will be reinstated. The people of WI are angry. You can't change that. No amount of fake boogieman arguments from the right is going to change that.
    You keep on believing that, and good gawd, the msm is trying like hell to say this, but it's not true. Sorry.

    People largely support Walker, in Wisconsin and elsewhere. The "pollsters" conveniently don't ask them. They're trying to create a wave of anger toward Walker, but all I see is a bunch of 60s rejects and wannabes on the tube, which disgusts most American voters.

    And if this improves Wisconsin's economy, which it will, the template will be in place. Many other states will follow Wisconsin's lead once they elect the right folks. Some, like Ohio, already have the right folks in place.

    Unions know this and are freaking out. This is their Waterloo, and they know it.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Sgt, do you live in Wisconsin? There are 2.5 million people in the labor force and 400,000 belong to unions with not all of them public sector union employees. A very small percentage of the people so the majority IMO aren't going to support any recall election as the Governor did what he was elected to do. You and all other liberals would bankrupt the state and the nation just so that you get your benefits, the hell with the taxpayers. My bet is 2.1 million employees in Wisconsin disagree with you.
    It will be interesting to see what happens to union membership in Wisconsin's public sector now that people have a choice.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Unions know this and are freaking out. This is their Waterloo, and they know it.
    of course they are. private union membership is waning because the huge anchor it puts on business owners has forced them out of business.

    the unions only hope for existance is to latch on entities that don't exist to make profit. that way they don't have to worry about drowning profits as profits aren't the motivation.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It will be interesting to see what happens to union membership in Wisconsin's public sector now that people have a choice.
    Exactly, no wonder the unions are fighting so hard and spending so much money on this issue, they know the outcome.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Sgt, do you live in Wisconsin? There are 2.5 million people in the labor force and 400,000 belong to unions with not all of them public sector union employees. A very small percentage of the people so the majority IMO aren't going to support any recall election as the Governor did what he was elected to do. You and all other liberals would bankrupt the state and the nation just so that you get your benefits, the hell with the taxpayers. My bet is 2.1 million employees in Wisconsin disagree with you.
    Since when does one need to belong to a union in order to support collective bargaining. Read a poll. There are quite a few of them on this subject, conducted on residents of your own state. All of the polls show a clear majority of WI citizens support the unions. The numbers aren't even close. That is a fact. You can say this or that, but you can't change that fact.


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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    how much time have you spent in Wisconsin these last two weeks (you clearly don't live anywhere near Wisconsin to be so brash in your claims)
    The majority of Americans are against it:

    Scaling Back State Programs Is Least of Three Fiscal Evils

    As Wisconsin and numerous other states struggle to reduce untenable budget deficits, a new USA Today/Gallup poll finds that not one of three major fiscal strategies available to state lawmakers is very popular. The least objectionable to Americans is "reducing or eliminating certain state programs," with about equal numbers in favor as opposed. A slight majority, 53%, opposes reducing pay and benefits for state workers, and a larger majority, 71%, opposes raising state taxes.
    Additionally, the new poll finds Americans opposed to their own state adopting a deficit-reduction proposal, like the one that has triggered a legislative standoff in Wisconsin, that eliminates some of the collective bargaining rights of most public unions, including the teachers' union. One-third of Americans say they would favor such a bill in their own state, while 61% would oppose it.
    The majority of Wisconsinites are against it:

    The Plum Line - The Morning Plum

    hen read a very detailed explanation of Walker's proposal, 52 percent of Wisconsin voters oppose it, 42 percent strongly so. Meanwhile, 42 percent support it, only 24 percent strongly.
    Somebody show me some facts that suggest that the majority of Americans and Wisconsinites, in particular, support this bill.

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