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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Proof? I didn't see anything that said that in the article in the OP....

    That's because it was on TV, and I didn't have a link for it yet. I have a link now:

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    3. People call rights whatever they want to call them. We could add a right to the constitution if we felt like it- see the Civil Rights and Women's rights movements. The point is, whatever people 'perceive' as rights, they'll fight for them and get angry when someone takes them away esp. when there is a history based on fighting for them.
    No rights have been taken away. People can still bargain for thier wages, pensions etc etc. All they have to do now is speak for themselves. God forbid that people actually stand up for themselves instead of having someone else do it.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Funny as hell. The 14 that were hiding and nowhere to be found are running like GREYHOUNDS back to the Capital, where they should have been all long. This vote..legal or not accomplished what it was intended to accomplish, TOMORROW there will be a FULL CONGRESS IN WISCONSIN. Again, funny as hell, the democrats were played like a musical instrument. While the democrats are crying about the ban on collective bargaining....the actual bill will be brought to a vote on the floor and pass, making the legal outcome of this evening "MOOT". Brilliant Move.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    The GOP is usually much better about being sneaky with their anti-working class policies and fashioning themselves as champions of all Americans. They're getting sloppy.
    There is absolutely NOTHING pro-working class about providing ****ty educations to poor, urban minority students because it might involve holding teachers accountable for their incompetence. I can't think of anything more anti-working class than standing in the way of education reform, which the teachers' unions have done for decades.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    The GOP is usually much better about being sneaky with their anti-working class policies and fashioning themselves as champions of all Americans. They're getting sloppy.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    This is so condescending and self-important, I can't believe I'm even responding.

    Paying people and giving them pensions and healthcare is not damaging to the economy. We were doing fine when Clinton was president...and the unions were negotiating then too. I think the problem is electing leaders who let their rich friends take dangerous risks with home loans and every other aspect of the economy and then spend extra money on unnecessary ventures...like war.

    The United States is fully capable of fulfilling the demands of public workers (who despite being called greedy are probably the least greedy in the U.S. considering that many of them chose to take lower paying jobs when they could have been effing up the country on Wall Street).
    And marching along to the tune of "class warfare" comes this post.

    The reality is that Public Sector Unions are the most undemocratic form of Union around. They force concession and get themselves large benefits not form an employer that must find a way to retain profits, but from the Government, and entity that is supposed to answer to the Voters. FDR Knew this, George Meany (former head of the AFL-CIO) knew this, and they bother rightly rejected such a notion as allowing public workers to Unionize.

    You should take some notes on why they were against it, maybe you'll see the truth.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Walter View Post
    Funny as hell. The 14 that were hiding and nowhere to be found are running like GREYHOUNDS back to the Capital, where they should have been all long. This vote..legal or not accomplished what it was intended to accomplish, TOMORROW there will be a FULL CONGRESS IN WISCONSIN. Again, funny as hell, the democrats were played like a musical instrument.
    If they're back in the state, hopefully they'll be arrested and brought to the Capitol to vote on the ENTIRE measure, so that there's no question about it's legality.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    That's because it was on TV, and I didn't have a link for it yet. I have a link now:
    Thanks. So basically what they did was take the contentious issue that was keeping the democrats away and seperated it into its own bill. Is there anything saying that they won't attempt to pass the actual bill that the collective bargaining rights was in in the first place? If they attempt to pass it then you have no case. If they don't then you do.

    The collective bargaining rights issues is what started this whole mess to begin with. Since the republicans were able to get it passed there is nothing saying that buisness can not continue now. Unless the Democrats continue to stay away as another form of protest? In which case just who exactly is to blame then? Wouldn't it be better to go back and try and get this bill repealed while passing the other one (the one with the budget)?
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    1. The police and firefighters made up some of the GOP's constituents and I imagine they were not the only ones upset about this.
    About what percentage of Walkers voters do you think they make up?

    People who join unions because they want the rights and protection won't support someone who is clearly going after them next.
    People also join unions as a pre-condition for employment. In other words they are extorted into joining a specific union in order to keep their job

    2. Overreaching is pissing off your constituents and much of the country.
    The GOP is usually much better about being sneaky with their anti-working class policies and fashioning themselves as champions of all Americans. They're getting sloppy.

    3. People call rights whatever they want to call them.
    People think they have the right to have internet too. Unless the constitution says they have the right to access the internet then it is not a right.


    We could add a right to the constitution if we felt like it-
    You are right,do you know when the last time the constitution was amended?

    see the Civil Rights and Women's rights movements. The point is, whatever people 'perceive' as rights, they'll fight for them and get angry when someone takes them away esp. when there is a history based on fighting for them.
    If its not in the constitution then it is not aright. As for this belief of yours that joining a union and a collective bargaining a right, how can you call it is right if many places with unions have whats called a closed shop? A right implies that it is optional to you if you choose the exercise it.
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