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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Can you see any situation where tax cuts increase govt. revenue? How do you explain that happening during the Reagan and Bush tax rate cuts? Think about it and I am sure you will come up with something.
    Lets not derail the thread here. I've already discussed this with you many times. If you want, make a thread in Economics and I'll debate you there, so long as some ground rules are agreed upon.
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    Great post Kandahar, I think that should be clear enough even for people who don't have any background in economics.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    Lets not derail the thread here. I've already discussed this with you many times. If you want, make a thread in Economics and I'll debate you there, so long as some ground rules are agreed upon.
    It is quite appropriate to defend your position here as you and others claim that tax cuts cut govt. revenue when the reality is govt. revenue went up after the Reagan and Bush tax rate cuts. The question is why was revenue dropping before the tax cuts and went up afterwards? Hard for you or any other liberal to admit why?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    What you're saying now is different than "a good portion of libs believe that anyone whom has attained success in this country somehow "owe" what libs consider "excess" to be common property".
    A progressive income tax places more of the burden on the wealthy, but I don't see anyone saying they necessarily owe the country it or say it is "common property".



    I think this jack ass should start by giving up his millions, and put his money where his mouth is....Or at least where the three big mac's are.....lol....Socialism is for the people not the socialist.


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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    It is quite appropriate to defend your position here as you and others claim that tax cuts cut govt. revenue when the reality is govt. revenue went up after the Reagan and Bush tax rate cuts. The question is why was revenue dropping before the tax cuts and went up afterwards? Hard for you or any other liberal to admit why?
    That was not my claim. My claim was that your post saying you "really don't think that liberals have any concept of personal income as apparently they believe it all belongs to the govt." was idiotic, at best.
    In any case, my economic views are anything but liberal. Call them libertarian if you wish.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    That was not my claim. My claim was that your post saying you "really don't think that liberals have any concept of personal income as apparently they believe it all belongs to the govt." was idiotic, at best.
    In any case, my economic views are anything but liberal. Call them libertarian if you wish.
    Libertarians that I know don't believe that tax cuts are an expense to the govt. and expect govt. to live within its means and allow people to do the same. Those Libertarians understand the value of keeping more of what they earn and also know that benefits personal responsibility issues which is big for Libertarians who basically want to be left alone.

    As long as someone states that tax cuts are an expense or cuts govt. revenue I am going to challenge it by asking the same question I asked you, how did govt. revenue go up AFTER the Reagan and Bush tax cuts?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Libertarians that I know don't believe that tax cuts are an expense to the govt. and expect govt. to live within its means and allow people to do the same. Those Libertarians understand the value of keeping more of what they earn and also know that benefits personal responsibility issues which is big for Libertarians who basically want to be left alone.

    As long as someone states that tax cuts are an expense or cuts govt. revenue I am going to challenge it by asking the same question I asked you, how did govt. revenue go up AFTER the Reagan and Bush tax cuts?
    I'm not going to play silly games here with you. What I said still stands - if you want to discuss this in detail, make a new thread.

    Your question is answered in parts.
    Revenue directly decreased after the tax cuts, not increased.
    It increased later, as it always does in time because of two reasons:
    A) an inflating dollar
    B) an expanding workforce

    I know you won't accept these because you do everything in nominal rather than real dollars, or my favorite "80's dollars", so I'm not expecting anything.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    mainstream micheal moore dissed iatse stage hands when he produced "capitalism, a love story"

    Michael Moore used non-unionized stagehands on documentary 'Capitalism: A Love Story' - NYPOST.com

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    In 2005 on his first day in office, Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels signed an order ending collective bargaining with public employee unions. He said it freed him to turn over some state jobs to private contractors.
    Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels Is Tough On Budgets : NPR

    in november of 08, as obama was matriculating to the white house, the gub of indiana was reelected by a plurality of EIGHTEEN

    Daniels re-elected as Indiana governor - UPI.com

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    This is good, I am glad it was voted on and passed. It makes me laugh to see the protestors calling the Republicans cowards when their own democrats are running away and have fled like true cowards for almost three weeks now.
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